I hate the Cubs

Prior for Tejada? Please.

C\'mon guys, that\'s just terrible. I know that A Gonz sucks hard, but to contemplate trading Prior for only Tejada, that would be awful.

Luke, what moves do the Cubs need to make? The only Shortstop really available is Orlando Cabrera, who quite frankly isn\'t that much of an improvement over A Gonz. I must admit that I haven\'t been a big fan of A Gonz on the offensive side of things, but he does have a pretty good glove (though it seems to disappear in big situations), and that\'s all you can really ask of him.

If the Cubs need to do anything, it\'s to get some freaking bullpen help. For some reason, they keep deciding to option John Leicster back to Triple A, despite the fact that he\'s been the most consistent pitcher in the bullpen period. The one thing that\'s really hurting the bullpen is LaTroy pitching out of position. I admit, I just about wanted to rip his head off after giving up what Barrett, Grudzy, and Patterson fought back for in the Top of the 9th so quickly, but you have to remember that he\'s pitching out of his element. He\'s SO much more effective as a set-up man.

Until we get a Healthy Joe Borowski back, the Bullpen really won\'t be the same, so we really do need to make a bullpen deal.

As for the lineup itself, it\'s actually solid, but there are parts of it that are underperforming. I\'ll tell you right now, losing Aramis for those 6 games before and after the All-Star Break absolutley killed the Cubs. The offense was anemic, and his glove has actually been damn good at third base.

What it truly comes down to is doing the fundamentals better. Getting bunts down when you have to, turning double plays when you need to, and not giving the other team extra outs (*evil glare in the direction of Sammy Sosa*). You have to remember that, before about Mid-June, the Cubs had the best defense in the entire Majors. If that can come back, the Cubs\'ll be in good shape.

I personally hit a wall about a week ago (after the Cubs lost that heartwrenching 2 game series to the Cardinals at home), but it\'s time to move on from that.

You can say that the Cubs are underperforming, and to a point they are...but you have to remember that at one point this late in the season last year, they were 51-52 on the year. Then they traded for Kenny Lofton, Randall Simon, and Aramis Ramirez, and proceeded to take over the National League. This year, it\'s just a matter of getting fully healthy.

Now, if only we could produce some freaking runs that don\'t come by the Home Run...how about some god damn gappers and line drives. Jesus.

See Yuz.

Dude, Joe Borowski sucks, The entire lineup sucks, and Prior for Tejada isnt that bad of a deal.


I don\'t know how many games you\'ve seen Prior pitch this year but there is definatly somethin wrong. He\'s not the same pitcher.

And also he\'s a California sissy-boy.



And the line-up ISNT solid.

In the last three games against the Phillies, the Cubs DID NOT score a run that wasnt off a home run untill the 9th inning of the final game.

That\'s frickin pitiful.

They have a strike-out prone, bad baserunning, refuse to bunt, poor contact line-up.    


This team is a joke.

Sammy Sosa is a joke.

(Where\'s Tony when you need him...)

1. Tejada for Prior takes on Salary, as Tejada\'s making about 16 million a year -- roughly what Sosa\'s getting paid to strike out
2. As much as I love Glendon Rusch, I believe this great pitching he\'s been displaying is temporary, and will dissapear as such when he goes to the bullpen...but I sure hope not.

As for Joe Borowski sucking...
1. He converted 33 of 36 saves last year, even when he ****ed up his elbow in September (the same problem that he\'s having surgery on and rehabbing from), which is more than you can say for LaTroy Hawkins (13 of 17, with an ERA climbing towards the sky).
2. Once he gets right, you won\'t be complaining about Joe Borowski. All the Cubs need him to do is to come back in his first 2/3 of 2003 form.

As for Prior being a sissy boy...
1. *shrug* Can\'t really do much with that, outside of the fact that in 3 games this year he\'s pitched great.
2. Yesterday he was actually pretty good, but it\'s hard to look good when the pitcher your going up against is throwing a no hit game into the 9th.

As for the lineup, I absolutley agree with you. This team has no idea how much it missed Aramis Ramirez (Can\'t complain about his contact -- he was hittin\' .326 before he went down with the groin), and still misses Todd Hollandsworth (Was better than Sosa in RF when Sosa was hurt).

And as for Sosa being a joke...you\'re absolutley right. He\'s been so awful this year...it\'s like he\'s reverted back to being younger, only now he can\'t run worth a damn. Swings at everything, terrible fielder, and now he\'s complaing to the media that he doesn\'t want to hear no more boos, which pisses me off -- If you don\'t want to hear "no more boos", how about you stop dropping pop flies and striking out 3 times a game? I don\'t think he ever thought of that.

I still think we\'re goona make the playoffs, because our September schedule isn\'t that hard, just like last year. If we get hot in September again, with Grudzy in the leadoff spot, and Barrett in the 2 hole (where we need him), The Cubs could make a pretty good push.

As for the Shortstop situation...Alex Gonzalez sucks hard. I can\'t wait until he\'s a free agent and we can sign Edgar Renteria away from the Cardinals.

See Yuz.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Well, I am also angry at the mets. Because they gave me the false hope they might actually have a chance.

Now entering the second half, I realize they have one of the most unreliable bullpens in baseball. There pitching is old, leiter can only go 5 innings.

They have good talent in the line up, but it may not come around this year.

Next year, the mets will win the NL east. Im calling it right now!

They definently have a lot of potential. They need to make a few moves for their pitching though before they can reach the next level.

I too am a Met fan. I told my friend the other day that only Mets\' fans, Red Sox fans and Cubs\' fans "boo" their players.

If the Mets could score runs early, when the aging starters are still throwing well, then it would give the bullpen more runs to screw up. It seems, though, that the Mets only score runs when they\'re behind and need to tie it. The same goes for penant race too; they can tie for first but never do enough to get over that hill.

God says there\'s only allowed to be one good baseball team in NY and that\'s the Yankees. Grr do I dislike them...

They met\'s have an -okay- line up this year, which hasn\'t realized it\'s potential. They heavily rely on pitching which has improved (Seo and Erickson) over the last month. Yet the bullpen has been responsible for way to many loses.

I like what this team has though. If they don\'t get hot in the second half here, it will happen next season.

They need young starting pitchers though, maybe a good bottom of the rotation prospect who can develop. Their pitching is way too old too last for too many more seasons. I predict it collapses in 2-3 years.

Originally posted by ROL Jamas
(Where\'s Tony when you need him...)

1. Tejada for Prior takes on Salary, as Tejada\'s making about 16 million a year -- roughly what Sosa\'s getting paid to strike out
2. As much as I love Glendon Rusch, I believe this great pitching he\'s been displaying is temporary, and will dissapear as such when he goes to the bullpen...but I sure hope not.

As for Joe Borowski sucking...
1. He converted 33 of 36 saves last year, even when he ****ed up his elbow in September (the same problem that he\'s having surgery on and rehabbing from), which is more than you can say for LaTroy Hawkins (13 of 17, with an ERA climbing towards the sky).
2. Once he gets right, you won\'t be complaining about Joe Borowski. All the Cubs need him to do is to come back in his first 2/3 of 2003 form.

As for Prior being a sissy boy...
1. *shrug* Can\'t really do much with that, outside of the fact that in 3 games this year he\'s pitched great.
2. Yesterday he was actually pretty good, but it\'s hard to look good when the pitcher your going up against is throwing a no hit game into the 9th.

As for the lineup, I absolutley agree with you. This team has no idea how much it missed Aramis Ramirez (Can\'t complain about his contact -- he was hittin\' .326 before he went down with the groin), and still misses Todd Hollandsworth (Was better than Sosa in RF when Sosa was hurt).

And as for Sosa being a joke...you\'re absolutley right. He\'s been so awful this year...it\'s like he\'s reverted back to being younger, only now he can\'t run worth a damn. Swings at everything, terrible fielder, and now he\'s complaing to the media that he doesn\'t want to hear no more boos, which pisses me off -- If you don\'t want to hear "no more boos", how about you stop dropping pop flies and striking out 3 times a game? I don\'t think he ever thought of that.

I still think we\'re goona make the playoffs, because our September schedule isn\'t that hard, just like last year. If we get hot in September again, with Grudzy in the leadoff spot, and Barrett in the 2 hole (where we need him), The Cubs could make a pretty good push.

As for the Shortstop situation...Alex Gonzalez sucks hard. I can\'t wait until he\'s a free agent and we can sign Edgar Renteria away from the Cardinals.

See Yuz.

I agree with everything you said excpet for us making the playoffs.

I just don\'t see that happening.

Originally posted by L i L K u B B s
I too am a Met fan. I told my friend the other day that only Mets\' fans, Red Sox fans and Cubs\' fans "boo" their players.

I have never seen any major league team not boo one of their players at one time or another.

I can\'t remember in all the times I\'ve watched and been to Reds games them booing their own players.

granted a tejada for prior deal wont go down because of money but ever since we let maddux go the first time every one is so scared of trading talented players away
i think the cubs would be in a much better situation if they had made the wood/pudge trade that was talked about a few years ago but it seems everyones covinced the we cant win unless we have a allstar at every position in the rotation which is so not the case. you could make the playoffs with 2 really good starters an ok bullpen and offense who can score runs on a consistent basis.
so i say get rid of one these so-called furture hall-of-famers and get a veteran with a consistent bat who can led this team by example much like lofton did last year

i think we should just change the name of this thread to "i hate the baseball" and make it a sticky

hey hawkins didnt lose the game for them last night you could tell he wanted to though

It\'s Hawkins -- it\'s what he does. He\'s not a closer at all...god I pray that Borowski gets back soon and healthy. Hawkins doesn\'t have the willpower to close.

See Yuz.

Franco lost it for the mets last night.. loser..

Tigers are doing pretty good.  Could careless though.  I prefer watching a sport in which talent is involved.  You need to be able to move and have hand eye corridnation for baseball.  Zzzzzzz

I really would like to see you hit a 95 MPH fastball. I really would.

Until you can, stop bitching about Talent in Baseball.

See Yuz.