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Offline GigaShadow
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2004, 11:42:10 AM »
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You volunteer to go into the army in order to get out alive with some money. You don\'t see many rich kids in the military. They go in there knowing that they might get called to duty, but they trusts us that we won\'t misuse them or call them for a war that isn\'t needed as in this case.




WTF????  You join the military to serve your country.  If you join to make money you chose the wrong career.  If you die serving your country you are honored and revered.  If you don\'t want to die and make money at the same time there are a million other jobs out there!

Also "rich kids" do join the military - it happens all the time.  As I said before it is not a soldiers job or burden to judge what war is right and what war is wrong.

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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2004, 01:33:45 PM »
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WTF????  You join the military to serve your country.  If you join to make money you chose the wrong career.  If you die serving your country you are honored and revered.  If you don\'t want to die and make money at the same time there are a million other jobs out there!

Also "rich kids" do join the military - it happens all the time.  As I said before it is not a soldiers job or burden to judge what war is right and what war is wrong.

Anyway:

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Hmm...I thought the military gives you money or pays for your college education...

I\'m pretty sure that a kid that lives in a 8 room house with parents making a crap load of money doesn\'t need the military to get through college.

It doesn\'t matter if you think that it isn\'t a soldiers job to judge a war if it\'s right or wrong...WTH? They are the ones risking their lives and sometimes even losing them how the hell are they not going to judge? I have a hard time believing that every soldier knows the reason that they are fighting is a honest one and it\'s even sadder when they die. But who cares right it\'s not their call? They just go do the fighting for the reason they didn\'t believe in the first place right?


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« Last Edit: July 28, 2004, 01:36:10 PM by SirMystiq »
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2004, 01:56:25 PM »
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Hmm...I thought the military gives you money or pays for your college education...

I\'m pretty sure that a kid that lives in a 8 room house with parents making a crap load of money doesn\'t need the military to get through college.

It doesn\'t matter if you think that it isn\'t a soldiers job to judge a war if it\'s right or wrong...WTH? They are the ones risking their lives and sometimes even losing them how the hell are they not going to judge? I have a hard time believing that every soldier knows the reason that they are fighting is a honest one and it\'s even sadder when they die. But who cares right it\'s not their call? They just go do the fighting for the reason they didn\'t believe in the first place right?


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Mystiq - a soldiers job is to follow orders.  You will never know because you don\'t have the discipline to be in the military.  Soldiers do not determine what foreign policy is right and wrong - they are tools of any given nation.  I don\'t know where you get this crap that our military doesn\'t believe in this war.  Like I said, if you joined the military to get a free education (its called the GI Bill) and didn\'t expect to fight that is no one\'s fault but your own.  Also another bit of information to further raise your IQ:

WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY.  Don\'t portray them as "they don\'t want to be there" shitty attitude crap - there is no draft - your Vietnam era anti war rhetoric is 35 years too late.  

List some sources that say the overwhelming majority of the military opposes this war.  You can\'t.

As for your silly counter to my sarcastic remark:

Lose a right?  Name one.
Make the rich richer.  That would be your boy Kerry who is much richer than Bush.
Pretend to care.  Once again that would be Kerry paying lip service to the NAACP.
Be selfish?????  
Be told what to do.  What have you been told to do?  Is this a police state?  If you think it is go join your pal nvidia and talk about how our government flew remote control planes into the WTC.
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2004, 02:56:49 PM »
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WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY.  (1)Don\'t portray them as "they don\'t want to be there" shitty attitude crap - there is no draft - your Vietnam era anti war rhetoric is 35 years too late.  

List some sources that say the overwhelming majority of the military opposes this war.  You can\'t.

As for your silly counter to my sarcastic remark:

(2)Make the rich richer.  That would be your boy Kerry who is much richer than Bush.
(3)Pretend to care.  Once again that would be Kerry paying lip service to the NAACP.

1) I think hes talking about the soldiers going in not knowing what they were getting themselves into. Its just like nam in the fact that nobody expected things to go how they went. You cant tell me that there isnt a population of troops that dont want to be there. Now im not saying all, Im just saying a population. From the way things sound, Proud To Be was in the same boat (though im not exactly sure).

2) What does Kerry being richer have anything to do with making the actuall people (that is who we are talking about right?) richer? Sure to some extent this statement makes sense, but it really doesnt prove the point youre trying to make.

3) Prove it.
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2004, 05:36:11 PM »
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1) I think hes talking about the soldiers going in not knowing what they were getting themselves into. Its just like nam in the fact that nobody expected things to go how they went. You cant tell me that there isnt a population of troops that dont want to be there. Now im not saying all, Im just saying a population. From the way things sound, Proud To Be was in the same boat (though im not exactly sure).

2) What does Kerry being richer have anything to do with making the actuall people (that is who we are talking about right?) richer? Sure to some extent this statement makes sense, but it really doesnt prove the point youre trying to make.

3) Prove it.


i\'ll just point out the part of proud to be...i asked him does he think it\'s a just war he\'s fightin\' & he stated he doesn\'t get involved in politics,..he\'s there to do a job...i really didn\'t want to get into with him since he is over there risking his life,...but if i was going to war it better be for a damn good reason...

yea when you join there\'s always that possibility to fight but the attitude of don\'t ask questions & go & die for the masses doesn\'t cut it with me....sounds as if the soldiers are just brainwashed drones..not all of them tho...
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2004, 06:14:02 PM »
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i\'ll just point out the part of proud to be...i asked him does he think it\'s a just war he\'s fightin\' & he stated he doesn\'t get involved in politics,..he\'s there to do a job.



I believe you just made my point.  For the most part they don\'t care about the politics of a war - they are there to "do a job".
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2004, 08:10:49 PM »
I understand that point perfectly, but such a "job" should entitle more than just doing it. I know this is far fetched but suppose you were fighting to oppress a group of foreign people and make their lives a living hell. See, its not just about doing your job. Fighting a war is a lot more serious than just doing it.

I hope you arent telling me that because it is a job, a soldier must fight regardless of the reason. If so thats a crock of shit and whoever would do that has no conscience whatsoever. Blind faith in ones government is in no way patriotic.
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2004, 09:15:41 PM »
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Mystiq - a soldiers job is to follow orders.  You will never know because you don\'t have the discipline to be in the military.  Soldiers do not determine what foreign policy is right and wrong - they are tools of any given nation.  I don\'t know where you get this crap that our military doesn\'t believe in this war.  Like I said, if you joined the military to get a free education (its called the GI Bill) and didn\'t expect to fight that is no one\'s fault but your own.  Also another bit of information to further raise your IQ:

WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY.  Don\'t portray them as "they don\'t want to be there" shitty attitude crap - there is no draft - your Vietnam era anti war rhetoric is 35 years too late.  

List some sources that say the overwhelming majority of the military opposes this war.  You can\'t.

As for your silly counter to my sarcastic remark:

Lose a right?  Name one.
Make the rich richer.  That would be your boy Kerry who is much richer than Bush.
Pretend to care.  Once again that would be Kerry paying lip service to the NAACP.
Be selfish?????  
Be told what to do.  What have you been told to do?  Is this a police state?  If you think it is go join your pal nvidia and talk about how our government flew remote control planes into the WTC.



HAHAHA...So what you are saying is that it\'s OK for a President to send soldiers to die for a reason that never existed because that\'s what they knew they were getting into?

Hmm...I believe that most people that joing the military...go look around the recruiting offices...are young people that go in there for their country and the hopes for a better education. I bet 90 percent of the people in the military are there for the same reason. To get an EDUCATION which they can\'t afford. It\'s not that they didn\'t expect to fight but they knew the cost of a better education would be to fight. You say it like all of those soldiers are up there for one particular reason and the fact is that it isn\'t.

The army advertises getting an "education" and how it would pay for your college education. That is the main driving point of the military and you would be fooling yourself to think otherwise. That\'s why my cousins joined the military, b/c their parents don\'t own private companies or make over 100000 dollars and get special tax cuts. If there is anything that stuck out about Moore\'s movie that that one fact, the military is made up of alot of hopeful people just wanting to be stronger, smarter and at the same time be able to improve their lives by getting into college.

It\'s sad that you see them as "tools" of a country. I understand that they really don\'t have a choice, but once again I think that any soldier would agree that a reason to go to war must be a damn good one. The reason for ANY war must be a good one.

In our school the recruiters came by so many times. We even got visitors from other schools (Highland High-the richest school in the Dallas area) had some students visit our school b/c the recruiters doesn\'t visit theirs.


Lose rights? See "The Patriot Act"

Make the rich richer... I was talking about the people...Wow Giga you even have access to Bush\'s bank account?

Pretend to care...Well Bush was the one that said "I know. I know. I know." and talked about how much there is to fix with the Reps and the black community. No Child Left Behind? Healthcare? Gas prices? The fact that Osama hasn\'t been captured? Safety of the American people? BTW isn\'t Bush on vacation right now?

Selfish...Iraq, tax cuts, education funding, environmental protection funding...and so on

Being told what to do...People aren\'t allowed to love who they want to. The "alerts" of a possible terrorism attack...women not being able to make their own decisions...


Not enough discipline?
Hmm...and you know this how?
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2004, 12:42:00 AM »
Ok well first off to say that bush sent those alone is false. The CIA gave evidence that there was WMD\'s in Iraq and it was a "Slam Dunk". If you had information that Iraq had WMD\'s when they were STRICTLY prohibited in that country I believe everyone would invade. John Kerry himself stated that "To leave Saddam with Nuclear Weapons is a crime". The fact is that people believe Bush made up all this stuff and just wanted to invade for oil.... which I mean looking at the gas prices that isnt the case.

Now the military issue. If someone joins the army they should expect they have to go to war no matter what the reason. If there country needs them then they do what they signed up for. We know that most of the men and women in the military sign up for college but a lot sign up to protect there country. A huge number of soldiers signed up after 9/11 to get revenge for there fallen citizens and to kill terrorists.

I dont get how you can say that people who pay taxes shouldnt get there tax cut. This isnt welfare buddy. People who pay income tax pay a huge amount 50% in California. And John Kerry wants to raise that which is a joke. Lets face it some jobs pay more because they DO MORE AND THEY WORKED HARDER FOR IT.

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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2004, 01:07:31 AM »
but the fact remains that colin powell did not agree with intelligence from the jumpoff...that\'s why he & rumsfield had a big beef over it...he reapeatedly told he & bush that he was not going to go to the u.n. unless he had solid info...when they finally gave some type of credible info.(the info he went over when he spoke to the u.n.) even then he didn\'t want to recite the intelligence,..which leads me to believe he was strong armed into doing it...

and let\'s be honest, bush wanted to go to war no matter what,..it amazes me how people forget how he acted up to the point of war...i feel for some of the soldiers over there..i\'ve heard them say "well maybe we didn\'t find the weapons, but at least we liberated the iraqi people"....that\'s bulls**t,..the war went from finding wmd\'s to a liberation mission?...let\'s see if the u.s. will liberate all those poor oppressed countries in africa..:rolleyes: ...i don\'t think so...
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2004, 01:39:58 AM »
So basically you\'re just guessing. Thanks for your time.

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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2004, 02:28:14 AM »
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So basically you\'re just guessing. Thanks for your time.


it doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to read between the lines...before the u.s. went to war it was well known that colin powell & rumsfield didn\'t see eye to eye on iraq..i\'m guessing?..i don\'t think so..
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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2004, 02:47:01 AM »
someone post the damn transcript already
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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2004, 02:48:34 AM »
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Lets face it some jobs pay more because they DO MORE AND THEY WORKED HARDER FOR IT.
They deserve their salary because they went to school and got the training and education that is the requirement of a high paying job. A CEO of a Fortune 500 company doesn\'t work harder for his check than the janitor of the same company.
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« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2004, 02:55:29 AM »
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someone post the damn transcript already



read this...

http://english.pravda.ru/world/2002/09/03/35868.html
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