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Originally posted by GmanJoe
And the Eagles would lose again. Good point ya got there.

Reality will rear its ugly head for the Steelers come this post-season.  I would like them to play the Colts in the playoffs, and then I\'ll take them seriously as a superbowl contender.

They beat your Patriots, Dillon or no Dillon that game goes the same way.

Originally posted by Bozco
They beat your Patriots, Dillon or no Dillon that game goes the same way.

HA!  Dillon is averaging over 100 yards per game.  He\'s more important.  With Dillon in the game the Pats squeeze it out.  Remember 11-0, when Dillon is in the lineup.  Yes, he does make the pats THAT MUCH BETTER.

Unless Dillon can play defense, it still doesn\'t change the fact that they put up 10 more points on you than any one else has.

Oh I\'m sorry, you can\'t fix a secondary in 5 minutes.  All of the DB\'s went down that game, and Brown was not a option because he had not practiced on defense.

There\'s your explaination.

And the secondary is why you allowed more than 200 rushing yards?

Originally posted by shockwaves


When you are running a football franchise, you have to look at thing realistically.  Eli being in right now benefits the team in the long term much more than Warner being in.  That\'s just the way it is.  If you think this decision was because of money or draft status, you don\'t know a lot of things about A) Tom Coughlin, and The Giants organization.  You clearly are not getting the full picture.

And once again, you didn\'t watch the games.  Numbers only tell you so much.  I will tell you that if you watched the games, there were no fewer than two loses that you can point to and say that Warner blew the games.  

I am a Giants fan, and I had nothing against Kurt coming in.  I want Eli playing, and I support this decision fully.  You\'re a Kurt Warner fan, not a Giants fan, so of course you don\'t support this decision.  Only one of us is unbiased here.
 

I am biased to Warner, yes.  But,  the truth is he gives them the best chance to win right now and make it to the playoffs.  I did see a couple of Warner\'s games.  I saw him complete 21 of 26 passes vs the Packers.  I also saw him do well vs the Cowboys.  He had one TD in the Cowboy game but he had a receiver drop another should have been TD.

Tiki Barber has done well, yes,  but last I checked he rushed for 100 in most of Eli\'s starts with nothing to show for it.  

Sure,  it is easy to blame Warner for losses because of fumbling or the sacks he took.  It is also easy to blame him for not being able to lead a gamewinning drive.  But why not blame the Oline for allowing the sacks?  Why not blame the recievers for dropping balls and not getting open?  Why blame Kurt for all the bad and none of the good?

Kurt gets all the blame for all the losses in St. Louis,  and none of the credit for the 5 wins in New York,  but he also gets all the blame for 2 ore more of their losses,  like they should be 7-1 if they had a better QB under center

As for the Indianapolis Colts,  I\'m still waiting for them to beat a good team.

Originally posted by shockwaves
And the secondary is why you allowed more than 200 rushing yards?

Have you ever played football?

With a hurt secondary the team had to drop more players into coverage to protect the pass and that left more space to run in.

The Steelers caught the Pats on an off day. If they played each other 10 times NE wins that game 8 out of 10. Losing a top 5 RB and replacing him with a back-up RB/punt returner who has never played a full game will kill your gameplan and make you completely onesided. The Patriots, with a depleted offense, still threw up 20 points on the Steelers.

The Colts have been throwing up monster numbers on SCRUBS. The have faced ONE top ten defense this season(NE) and that was a loss. If your whole gameplan is predicated on your QB throwing 5 TDs a game and keeping your defense off the field then the minute you face a good defense your gameplan falls apart. ESPECIALLY when that defensive team has a good offense. <<
The 2000 Rams had the #1 Offense and #32 Defense in 2000(very similar to Indy\'s #1,#31) and they were bounced out of the playoffs in the first round by the frickin New Orleans Saints. The year they won the superbowl? #1 Offense - #4 Defense. BIG difference.

Peyton\'s albatross contract is going to make him just like Marino to Tom Brady\'s Montana. A career of amazing offensive stats and records compared to above average stats and a handful of bling.

I\'m just trying to say that you people have to learn to give Pittsburgh credit.  Yes Dillon was hurt, but that team beat you, and beat you handily.  And I\'m saying it\'s not just in one area.  They ran all over you, they passed all over you, and you couldn\'t run at all with guys who COULD gain yards when they needed to last year.  Saying that you WOULD have won with Dillon and that you would win 8/10 times is denying how good this team actually is.

And there is no way that Dillon is in the top 5 RB\'s in the league.

Tomlinson, Holmes, Alexander, Portis, Lewis, Green, and James are all better, and you could make arguements for other guys too.

And Alliswell, once again, you\'re showing you didn\'t watch the games and don\'t realize how things really were.  The Giants outplayed Philly in the first half of that game, and that was when Tiki got almost all of his yards.  He got little in the 2nd half and the Giants were blown away.  And he was awful all day against the Skins.  That proves if you ask me that the Giants success can be measured pretty well by how well Barber does.

As for making the Playoffs, I already made my arguement about that.  Respond to that before I restate it.

And as for the defenses Peyton has done this against, these teams ranked on average 17th in the league in scoring defense, out of 32 teams, which is just about average.  However, when you consider how much Indianapolis has scored, if you take out their games, I\'m sure a lot of these defenses would be ranked a couple spots higher.  But yeah, last I checked, Chicago has a decent D, Jacksonville has a decent D, etc.

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Originally posted by alliswell
 I saw him complete 21 of 26 passes vs the Packers.  I also saw him do well vs the Cowboys.  He had one TD in the Cowboy game but he had a receiver drop another should have been TD.

This completely killed your argument. The Cowboys? one TD? The cowboys are playing the worst iv seen in a long time on defense. Last season they were known for it and the only teams they held to a low score were the bears (only guy on offense is Thomas Jones); the redskins (we saw how their offense did this season); and the giants. The Cowboys gave up 30 points to Kyle Boller whose having a tough season.

And the Packers up to week 10 were giving up points/yards like crazy.

 I didnt mean warner was DONE like "retire in one more game" done..but times moving and hes going to be left behind. Giants need to get Eli moving, and not many teams will take an ageing person like warner. Every situation hed run into would be "start in front of a young guy not ready to play." Maybe the dolphins, cardinals, or the bills would take him. (Bills are screwed with Losman)

Originally posted by shockwaves
I\'m just trying to say that you people have to learn to give Pittsburgh credit.  Yes Dillon was hurt, but that team beat you, and beat you handily.  And I\'m saying it\'s not just in one area.  They ran all over you, they passed all over you, and you couldn\'t run at all with guys who COULD gain yards when they needed to last year.  Saying that you WOULD have won with Dillon and that you would win 8/10 times is denying how good this team actually is.

With Dillon out the Pats had to start Kevin Faulk. Faulk has ALWAYS been a backup. When the Pats needed to gain a couple of yards last year they threw screens and short dink passes. Our starter(Antoine Smith) gave us close to no production. The Steelers are a VERY good team but IMO that Pats are better.

Originally posted by shockwaves
And there is no way that Dillon is in the top 5 RB\'s in the league.

Tomlinson, Holmes, Alexander, Portis, Lewis, Green, and James are all better, and you could make arguements for other guys too.

Courtesy of NFL.com

Leading Rushers
1. C. Martin        NYJ   1305
2. E. James        IND   1291
3. C. Dillon         NE      1221
4. S. Alexander  SEA   1190
5. T. Barber        NYG    1183

This after he missed a game and a half.

Originally posted by shockwaves
And as for the defenses Peyton has done this against, these teams ranked on average 17th in the league in scoring defense, out of 32 teams, which is just about average.  However, when you consider how much Indianapolis has scored, if you take out their games, I\'m sure a lot of these defenses would be ranked a couple spots higher.  But yeah, last I checked, Chicago has a decent D, Jacksonville has a decent D, etc.

Those defensive rankings are based on ypg not touchdowns. Indy leads the league in both so that doesn\'t change your argument.

It is not just about the defense. You can have the best defense in the league but if your offense sucks Indy will have that much more time for their own offense to wear you down. The only balanced teams that Indy has faced has been the Pats and the Jags. The Pats beat them and Indy barely beat Jacksonville both times. I wouldn\'t be surprised if the Bolts/Broncs pull off wins against Indy.

Indy is a very good team. Only because their offense is incredible. You can not win in this NFL without defense, plain and simple.

[GmanJoe]

The Steelers have been playing without Deuce Staley for a while now. Yet they\'ve managed to win with the back up, The Bus. Steelers have more depth. Steelers > Patsies.

Originally posted by GmanJoe
Steelers have more depth.

At running back. This is a given. You can\'t compare Kevin Faulk to even an aging Jerome Bettis.

Overall, its arguable. Do the Steelers keep winning with the same injuries as the Pats? Not likely.

BTW, Did it hurt when you jumped onto the Steelers\' bandwagon? Was it crowded?

[GmanJoe]

Just coz I don\'t harp on the Steelers that much doesn\'t mean I jumped on the Steeler\'s bandwagon yesterday. I\'ve been a Steelers fan since 1974. Hardly a fair weather fan.

As a kid, I used to cry my eyes out whenever the ole 70\'s Steelers lost to the Raiders in the playoffs.

[CHIZZY]

Umm.... go Bills?

I don\'t have any real hopes for them playoff-wise, but it\'s nice to not be disappointed on a monday for a few weeks in a row. I\'m impressed with McGahee, and Lee Evans is turning out to be quite the WR.