After watching this why would anyone vote for Kerry?

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Hmmm since when was liberal a bad word - unless of course you think it is bad to be liberal?  If you didn\'t notice I was called a "neocon" by BS - the often over used leftwing buzzword of the moment. :rolleyes:  So, one label deserves another.

Ah i missed that. Well in that case i suppose you are somewhat justified . And it is and isnt a bad word. Its the same thing a "prude." Some people consider being prudent a good thing whereas some dont. In a certain context it would seem that liberal is a bad term, and in this case its just strengthened by your semi common use of it (generally in a not so positive or neutral manner). Its either that, or im just not fresh on remembering.  
 

Originally posted by GigaShadow
You also forget Nicon - I love politics - that is what my undergraduate was in - Political Theory.  I hope you understand why I find this so amusing, in that some would clearly pick an inferior person to lead this country out of misplaced hatred toward GWB.  You also tend to forget I don\'t agree with the Republicans on every issue on their platform.  I just happen to think the Republicans have solid issues unlike the Democrats who seem to be trying to make every single interest group happy to the point that their message has become incoherent.

This i do know. Its quite obvious that you have a passion for politics. Im sure anybody would agree. I was just saying that despite your amusement, Bush isnt 100% guaranteed a second term. Of course if you think that then i guess im all for you finding w/e it is you find funny, funny. And i know you dont just swing off the Rep\'s nuts but its obvious that since you are one (not that its really a bad thing), you do share many common views. And just to point one last thing out - I know its worn out but generalizations such as "I just happen to think the Republicans have solid issues unlike the Democrats" that made me go on the whole liberal tangent. I know you arent a complete ass. I was just pointing out the fact

Originally posted by Lord Nicon
I know its worn out but generalizations such as "I just happen to think the Republicans have solid issues unlike the Democrats" that made me go on the whole liberal tangent. I know you arent a complete ass. I was just pointing out the fact

Actually in this election the Democrats don\'t have any solid issues or plans.  In past elections - such as when Clinton ran he had a plan.  Kerry on the other hand lacks any kind of plan because he is too busy trying to appease all the different factions within the DNC.  This the precise reason I really liked the RNC in NY.  Things I don\'t agree with the Republicans on - abortion and religion - where not talked about much - only hinted at.  They focused on terrorism and I for one think that is the number one priority for this country.  A lot will disagree with me and say that economy should be the number one issue.  I would agree if I thought the economy were in worse shape than it was say 5 years ago.  The truth is it isn\'t.  

The only thing that could throw our recovery off track is another terrorist attack on US soil.  So you see the economy and terrorism are related to each other in that keeping this country safe, which I think Kerry can not do adequately, is the top priority.  Homeland Security and the Patriot Act which love to be focal points of liberal criticism have so far prevented another attack in our country.  Do I believe we are safe just because Bush is in office?  No.  I believe we are safer with him in office as opposed to Kerry.  I still am thankful GWB was in office during 9/11 and not Al Gore, speaking of whom, have you seen him lately?  He looks like a madman!

Anyway here is a very interesting editorial regarding blacks and the GOP.  Try and read it with an open mind Nicon - you might learn something.

An excerpt: ...Bush received only 9% of the black vote in 2000, but his policies have done more for the black community than those of any other modern-era president...



http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-09-12-black-leaders_x.htm

Originally posted by GigaShadow
How many "career" Senators change their stance on issues not once, but multiple times depending on which way the wind of popularity is blowing?  The main difference between a Senator and a President is that one has to make decisions that will effect an entire nation - the other can wear whatever stance is popular that day without it making any difference what so ever.  Kerry has demonstrated that he can\'t be decisive about any one issue.  Look at the interviews and news footage when he is asked a direct question - he stumbles, studders and answers the question with either a question or skips the answer entirely.  How many politicians - let alone world leaders contradict themselves in one sentence?  

I just can\'t figure out why two people doing the EXACT same thing is considered bad on one part and good on another. It is MINDBOGGLING.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
So you think those memos are true!    You and Dan Rather should both put on your tin foil helmets and prepare for the mothership to arrive.  Seriously, there is no credibility your accusation.  GWB was honorably discharged from the National Guard.  End of story.

Screw those memos. Well before the memos were released the FOI act showed us evaluation documents for Dubya that were blank and listed "Not Observed" Kerry recieved purple hearts and is considered a hero by his own shipmates and that is suspect; but bush is AWOL for a year in AL and he got an honorable discharge so everything is peachy. :rolleyes: The hypocrisy is disgusting.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
More Michael Moore BS - granted the hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia hardly makes Bush corrupt and there is no link between the Bush family and the Saudi Royal Family - unless of course you believe what that pig Michael Moore says.

NO LINK!!! Jesus H Christ. Its not like it is a secret that the Bush family and the Saudi Royal family have personal ties. This was a discussion point way back in 2002. Michael Moore didn\'t make that up.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Is our economy worse?  Prove it.  Take figures from the end of Clinton\'s last term and you will see they are actually better.  Also, in Bush\'s defense 9/11 did have a tremendous negative economic impact on our country - something you liberals tend to forget.

So tell me. What exactly is better NOW than it was when Clinton left office? Don\'t tell me unemployment because millions of people have worn out their unemployment and/or are underemployed so those numbers are inaccurate.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Another quote taken out of context - let me break this down for you BS.  He meant there will be no formal surrender - no formal declaration of victory like there are in conventional wars.  Maybe he didn\'t use the right terminology, but I have heard much worse gaffs from SKerry.

 
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“I don’t think you can win” the war on terror. "But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.” - George W. Bush (NBC News)
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Yup... COMPLETELY out of context.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
And what you propose doing BS?  Invade?  Economic boycotts? yeah they work.  Diplomacy?  The UN is worthless and France (God only knows why they were considered a major power at the end of WW2 and received a veto power) will never use force to enforce any resolution or decision made by NATO.  Yet Kerry would still have you believe that we can gain more allies through a more "sensitive" war on terror.  Typical liberal - cries about Iraq - yet demands something be done about Iran and North Korea.

While Bush would have you believe that we are safer by attacking non threats. That strategy is MUCH better. Bomb everyone because they hate our "FREEDOM". No they hate our middle eastern policies.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Hmmm since when was liberal a bad word - unless of course you think it is bad to be liberal?  If you didn\'t notice I was called a "neocon" by BS - the often over used leftwing buzzword of the moment. :rolleyes:  So, one label deserves another.

Neocon is a word created by conservatives. Its not a leftwing buzzword its a word your cronies made up.

Why can\'t you tell me why you love Dubya so much? I know why I dislike BUsh and I know why I dislike Kerry but  I\'ll be damned if I can find a reason for people to be giving Bush such thorough ball washings on a daily basis. It seems like you wake up and take FoxNews\' morning talking points like gospel.

Originally posted by Black Samurai
I just can\'t figure out why two people doing the EXACT same thing is considered bad on one part and good on another. It is MINDBOGGLING.

Kerry changes his mind on a daily bases to pander to whichever part of the DNC he is talking to at the time.  If you can\'t see it - you are blind.

Originally posted by Black Samurai

Screw those memos. Well before the memos were released the FOI act showed us evaluation documents for Dubya that were blank and listed "Not Observed" Kerry recieved purple hearts and is considered a hero by his own shipmates and that is suspect; but bush is AWOL for a year in AL and he got an honorable discharge so everything is peachy. :rolleyes: The hypocrisy is disgusting.

Not only are you blind - but dumb.  The argument here isn\'t about Kerry\'s service - its about what he did after the war.  Who is making this about Vietnam?  Kerry is and it is backfiring in his face.  There were POW\'s who were tortured to make the statements Kerry gave willingly to only further his fledgling political career.  BTW where are Kerry\'s medals that he claims he threw away?  Hanging in his office of course...

Originally posted by Black Samurai

NO LINK!!! Jesus H Christ. Its not like it is a secret that the Bush family and the Saudi Royal family have personal ties. This was a discussion point way back in 2002. Michael Moore didn\'t make that up.

Did you even read that article?  GWB isn\'t nearly as friendly with the Saudi\'s as his father... and why was his father friendly with them... The relationship started and peaked right before and during the first Gulf War.  If I were the Saudi\'s and had the entire Iraqi army at my doorstep I would be bending over for whomever was President of the US as well.  

Originally posted by Black Samurai

So tell me. What exactly is better NOW than it was when Clinton left office? Don\'t tell me unemployment because millions of people have worn out their unemployment and/or are underemployed so those numbers are inaccurate.

Unemployment is the almost identical - provide links to show me where it worse... your stabs and rhetoric about underemployed and expired benefits are amusing.

 

Originally posted by Black Samurai

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“I don’t think you can win” the war on terror. "But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.” - George W. Bush (NBC News)
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Yup... COMPLETELY out of context.

I basically said what he said in that statement.  What did I say?... Let\'s see...  I said there will be no formal surrender so it won\'t be like a conventional war - that is what Bush is saying is it not?  You can not declare a decisive victory because there is no capitol to take, there is no army on a battlefield to defeat and there is no general to offer his sword in defeat.  

Originally posted by Black Samurai

While Bush would have you believe that we are safer by attacking non threats. That strategy is MUCH better. Bomb everyone because they hate our "FREEDOM". No they hate our middle eastern policies.

 

One question - have we been attacked on US soil again?  Attacking non threats like what the Taliban and Iraq who sponsored terrorism?  :rolleyes:

Islamic fundamentalists hate our lifestyle - aka freedom.  Why are we the great Satan BS?  Not soley because of our foreign policy.  Speaking of which, if supporting Israel is what you are hinting at being the cause for terrorism you couldn\'t be more wrong.  

Originally posted by Black Samurai


Neocon is a word created by conservatives. Its not a leftwing buzzword its a word your cronies made up.

I have never heard another conservative label themself as a "neocon".

Originally posted by Black Samurai


Why can\'t you tell me why you love Dubya so much? I know why I dislike BUsh and I know why I dislike Kerry but  I\'ll be damned if I can find a reason for people to be giving Bush such thorough ball washings on a daily basis. It seems like you wake up and take FoxNews\' morning talking points like gospel.

This is a prime example of someone not reading every post in a thread:  Look up above your last post.

" Actually in this election the Democrats don\'t have any solid issues or plans. In past elections - such as when Clinton ran he had a plan. Kerry on the other hand lacks any kind of plan because he is too busy trying to appease all the different factions within the DNC. This the precise reason I really liked the RNC in NY. Things I don\'t agree with the Republicans on - abortion and religion - where not talked about much - only hinted at. They focused on terrorism and I for one think that is the number one priority for this country. A lot will disagree with me and say that economy should be the number one issue. I would agree if I thought the economy were in worse shape than it was say 5 years ago. The truth is it isn\'t.

The only thing that could throw our recovery off track is another terrorist attack on US soil. So you see the economy and terrorism are related to each other in that keeping this country safe, which I think Kerry can not do adequately, is the top priority. Homeland Security and the Patriot Act which love to be focal points of liberal criticism have so far prevented another attack in our country. Do I believe we are safe just because Bush is in office? No. I believe we are safer with him in office as opposed to Kerry. I still am thankful GWB was in office during 9/11 and not Al Gore, speaking of whom, have you seen him lately? He looks like a madman!"

Lastly, you have yet to explain why Kerry is more qualified to be in office.  "Because he isn\'t Bush" doesn\'t cut it.

I\'ve passed that video on to a couple of boards and I\'ll tell not many bleeding hearts had the nerve to post anything.

I love that damn video!

What exactly is our Foreign Policy/Middle Eastern Policy?

After watching Fahrenheit 911 I don\'t see how anyone could see putting this man back in office. That movie expose him for exactly who he is. The fact is he should have not been in office in the first place. He jacked the elections to begin with. And I have lost any or all the respect I had for the United States for allowing that to even take place. Shames the nation when something like that can take place.

This man is recklessly waging war against the middle east. turning a budget surplus into a multi-billion dollar deficit. Worst job loss in last 70 years. I mean he is personally allowing more and more jobs to be sent overseas. Healthcare for the poor is none-existent now. If you didn\'t already have insurance and you need it now your shit out of luck But he continues to reward his rich supporters. He is  stacking the federal courts with ultra-conservative judges. This guy and his croonies are making sure there will be no more middle class.

Search the net there is so much stuff about this guy and what he is doing it\'s rediculous. Like others have said we are in a loosing situation.

And Titan Ralph Nader couldn\'t be the president of my fantasy football league. Enough said.

Originally posted by QuDDus
After watching Fahrenheit 911 I don\'t see how anyone could see putting this man back in office. That movie expose him for exactly who he is. The fact is he should have not been in office in the first place. He jacked the elections to begin with. And I have lost any or all the respect I had for the United States for allowing that to even take place. Shames the nation when something like that can take place.

 

I was going to type a long response to this, but ignorant fools like yourself aren\'t worth my time.

Get over it - Bush won and after numerous recounts he won by 533 votes at the very least.

If you believe that F911 is truthful and Michael Moore only reports facts you are no better than those idiots who drank the Kool Aid in Jonestown back in the 70\'s.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
I was going to type a long response to this, but ignorant fools like yourself aren\'t worth my time.

Get over it - Bush won and after numerous recounts he won by 533 votes at the very least.

If you believe that F911 is truthful and Michael Moore only reports facts you are no better than those idiots who drank the Kool Aid in Jonestown back in the 70\'s.

Damn man have some decency. I mean your such a prick that you can\'t even state the obvious truth.

There where 25000 votes for gore that were never counted. GWB got 290 votes from  improperly counted military absentee ballots. Then there where thousands of minorities who where not allowed to vote in florida.

Got damn the truth has already been leaked. Everyone knows he lost. I can\'t believe you even had the nerve to deny it:rolleyes:

Originally posted by QuDDus
Damn man have some decency. I mean your such a prick that you can\'t even state the obvious truth.

There where 25000 votes for gore that were never counted. GWB got 290 votes from  improperly counted military absentee ballots. Then there where thousands of minorities who where not allowed to vote in florida.

Got damn the truth has already been leaked. Everyone knows he lost. I can\'t believe you even had the nerve to deny it:rolleyes:

Why do I picture this while reading your post?

Maybe you both are insane perhaps?

[videoholic]

Where are these minority voters and why didn\'t they get to vote?  And why were 25,000 votes never counted?  And it\'s amazing that all 25,000 of these uncounted votes were Gore\'s.

I mean you have to assume they are anyway.

I wouldn\'t go so far as to say that 25000 uncounted votes were for Gore but it has been stated that MANY people were turned away from the polls.

This isn\'t anything new though. People are turned away from the polls at almost every election and there are always shady circumstances. It is just the fact that the 2000 election was so close that has people\'s panties in a knot.

Now what excuse do people have to just not let people vote? Theres no way that we are regressing into the racist days of old where they just wouldnt let some people vote.

I never did understand that whole situation.

Originally posted by videoholic
Where are these minority voters and why didn\'t they get to vote?  And why were 25,000 votes never counted?  And it\'s amazing that all 25,000 of these uncounted votes were Gore\'s.

I mean you have to assume they are anyway.

http://WWW.GOOGLE.COM do a search
reported that 15,000-25000 votes for gore where not counted.

Urban legend.