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« on: September 30, 2004, 05:39:58 PM »
Tonight\'s debates are underway.  So far, Kerry has come off way too strong, he\'s acting like a jerk.  However, in terms of substance, Kerry is leading.  Bush has really made Kerry look bad, but lacks substance in his arguments.  Bush\'s mistakes have been pointed out in this debate and are playing a major factor right now.

Substance: Kerry Wins
Less of an Ass: Bush Wins
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2004, 05:47:15 PM »
Kerry is definitely acting like an ass. He seems to be repeating himself too. Ha, he just advertised his site (Kerry). I\'m actually yelling at the TV too.
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2004, 05:47:32 PM »
Bush has really trained for the debate, even wanting to make rebuttles to Kerry\'s points.  Smooth talker even though he\'s skirting on some issues with statistics.

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2004, 06:21:47 PM »
The winner of this debate is...

The guy asking the questions!

He totally called out both candidates and told them that they are both saying the same thing in different words.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2004, 06:26:11 PM »
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The winner of this debate is...

The guy asking the questions!

He totally called out both candidates and told them that they are both saying the same thing in different words.


Who is the moderator? I missed where he said they are saying the same thing over. I\'ve noticed it too. Nothing but Iraq and then N. Korea. I found it funny Kerry said that N. Korea has 46 nukes. Hmm, last I heard it still wasn\'t confirmed if there indeed were nukes.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2004, 06:35:40 PM »
Even though I think Bush isnt a good president, I think he is a better leader than Kerry will ever be.

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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2004, 06:42:49 PM »
I can\'t see our country run by someone who can\'t make up his mind about policies and changes his mind when the polls are against it. What I really admire about Bush is that when he decides on an issue, he sticks to his decision. If the polls are against it, he doesn\'t think twice about changing it.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2004, 06:59:23 PM »
Well its done.

Delivery:  I have to say Kerry.  The guy is an attorney.  What more can you say?

Content: Bush by a little only because his message was clear. Kerry contradicted himself a few times and even went off on a tangent about chemical something or other at the beginning of the debate.  And what the hell is this global test Kerry says needs to be passed before he would do a pre emptive strike?

Kerry also mentioned this grand plan for Iraq and I still have no idea what he wants to do other than holding some magical summit that will cure all the problems in Iraq.  I also believe Kerry stuck his foot in his mouth when he said the troops need better body armor and armored humvee\'s when Mr. Kerry has a very consistant record of voting against military funding.

Likeable:  Bush easily.  The guy has a sense of humor.  Kerry just has this monotone voice without any passion or conviction.

Overall, I don\'t think anyone walked away a loser.  I am sure there will be some key catch phrases floating around the next day, but in my opinion it wasn\'t the debate that was being hyped.  I do think Bush could have nailed Kerry on a few more issues, but I think TV commercials will take care of that. ;)
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2004, 07:19:44 PM »
Interesting score card for those that are interested:

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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2004, 07:24:36 PM »
Bush\'s responses lacked substance, he defended his mistakes instead of owning them and pushing for reassesments and resolves which are obviously needed.  I just don\'t see America making actual progress under Bush, a man who would rather stand by his word than reassess a bad situation.

Bush never made it a key point to reconcile and strengthen world allies but instead reassured us that he\'s done as much as he can.   Kerry pointed out this is certainly an issue and later it was confirmed by all the reporters on abc.

Kerry was impressive, he handled himself extremely well.  Very confident, relaxed, and certainly intelligent.  Nothing like the little outburst and scoffs from Bush.  Kerry put it best when he said "You can be certain, but you can be certain and be wrong".  That\'s entirely true and very appropriate for the way Bush has handled the issues brought up.

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Bush by a little only because his message was clear.


Perhaps you could tell me what message that is...From what I gather it\'s "I\'m doing things the right way, just trust me."  I don\'t agree and it seems I\'m not the only one.

It\'s very evident he has acted in such a manner that suggests uncareful and wreckless planning.  The situation in Iraq is on the downward spiral and they\'re just not making the progress that\'s expected but in the mean time Iran and North Korea are becoming increasingly dangerous.  He responded with we\'re doing everything we can but let me remind you about Iraq, mission accomplished.:rolleyes:

Kerry walked away with a clear victory, I have no doubt he\'ll do the same thing next week.

Also, I didn\'t see Kerry flip flopping on any issues. If you\'d like to point one out, please do.
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2004, 07:38:05 PM »
Not only did Bush lack substance his whole manner show just how heated he can get - which is never a good thing. Did you see the facial reactions he was giving Kerry during some of those questions? It\'s moments like that show that our President is not the level headed Commander In Chief that the country needs.

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Likeable: Bush easily. The guy has a sense of humor. Kerry just has this monotone voice without any passion or conviction.


At no point in the past four years has Bush demostrated a sense of humor, so I\'m not sure where you pulled that out of your ass. The same about lacking pass or conviction. Both are about as boring as could possibly be.


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I can\'t see our country run by someone who can\'t make up his mind about policies and changes his mind when the polls are against it. What I really admire about Bush is that when he decides on an issue, he sticks to his decision. If the polls are against it, he doesn\'t think twice about changing it.


Kerry addressed this and you obviously was not listening. There is a difference in flip-flopping and being able to change with the times. We need a President who is able to adapt and look at the world as it changes. George W. Bush has not done this, he never looks at something and realizes he is wrong and needs to change.

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Who is the moderator? I missed where he said they are saying the same thing over. I\'ve noticed it too. Nothing but Iraq and then N. Korea. I found it funny Kerry said that N. Korea has 46 nukes. Hmm, last I heard it still wasn\'t confirmed if there indeed were nukes.


Last I heard Saddam had WMD and we still have not seen these, while N.Korea does infact has a nuclear program. Gee, go figure. We waged a war on a country due to WMD, which has turned out to be false. On the other hand, we ignore a country that is openly persuing a nuclear program. That is sending mixed messages to the countries around us.


One more thing, when Bush was asked if he would ever do another pre-emptive attack he clearly stated that Iraq had attacked us. I believe the quote was "our enemy attacked us, we had to respond" or something to that lines. Either way, he insinuated that Saddam had some connections to 9/11, something that has never been proven.

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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2004, 07:39:20 PM »
One reason we probably saw Kerry not Flip Flop is because its been pointed out so much lately and he made it a point to finally get his shit together and not flip flop. I didn\'t get to see it all but I caught bits and pieces of it, and I saw Kerry making the outbursts and looking like a total DICK most of the times, who is it again his wife or him up there???

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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2004, 07:41:46 PM »
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I believe the quote was "our enemy attacked us, we had to respond" or something to that lines. Either way, he insinuated that Saddam had some connections to 9/11, something that has never been proven.


I\'m under the impression it was proven to be false.  No shit Iraq is a threat but the enemy he\'s refering to had little to nothing to do with Iraq.

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2004, 07:46:18 PM »
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One reason we probably saw Kerry not Flip Flop is because its been pointed out so much lately and he made it a point to finally get his shit together and not flip flop. I didn\'t get to see it all but I caught bits and pieces of it, and I saw Kerry making the outbursts and looking like a total DICK most of the times, who is it again his wife or him up there???


Please, Kerry was entirely relaxed and handled every issue at they came at him.  There were no teleprompters or ear pieces, Kerry knows what he\'s talking about as he clearly talks with confidence.  

As LIC pointed out, it\'s Bush who got angry.  I take it you didn\'t Notice that Bush was the one who was very quick to respond in a very defensive manner.  I\'m sure he was wishing Chenney could join him on stage...

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2004, 07:47:27 PM »
Like I said I only caught about 5 minutes of it and from what I saw he responded like a dick a couple times.

 

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