Blu Ray vs HD-DVD:Very interesting read from IGN

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/553/553058p1.html?fromint=1

Very interesting.You ve got to read it.

Beh ! :o

This is really more about marketing new technology than about technology itself. I\'m glad I can watch DVD on my PS2 but I rarely do so. My pc does a way better job at that.

Heck, I get a little bored with all this media storage tech articles on the net when it comes to next gen consoles.

I wanna hear some more on the actual next gen console games and how devs will cope with increased developement complexity.
Or how about some info about the Ati gpu\'s for Xenon and Revolution and how that will affect pc game to console ports, or how Sony\'s Graphics Synthesizer 2 is shaping up now OpenGL2.0 is officially adopted by game dev. Let\'s hope they give it more than 4mb\'s of videoram hahaha

When such info starts rolling, then I\'m willing to listen :thepimp:

Technology and marketing go together  

Yeah, but the article is mostly about home entertainment movies being trump card for Sony\'s movie corp and some Hollywood studio\'s.

I\'m interested when that same media storage info will give me insight on how it will improve and affect the actual next gen game developement from a dev standpoint of view. Like...how much will Blu Ray\'s data rate be crucial to ingame performance and will this eliminate the need for a HD ?

Heck I even question alot ppl have HD tv\'s. Not too many for some time imo.

Yeah but thats important.The point is not how it will change movie entertainment.Its how these forms of entertainment will help the format in the market get distributed to a grand scale among a huge userbase that is very important.
The hardware we get in our homes are according to how well they are going to do in the market.A company if predicts low sales and no chance of succeeding with new technology we wont be seeing that technology in our homes.
In this case a Blu-Ray seems to have greater capabilities.Possibilities of what it will offer in gaming depends on how well it will do in the market thus beginning an evolution of that product and companies start exploiting the possibilities of which some were mentioned in the article scarcely.
So far none of them are available in market.Right now the article is making estimations if it will elliminate the need for a HD

Also its important because it brings a few matters in discussion I guess many will care about.Like how it will affect how well each console will do in the market if they are released with these formats.How they might compete each other?And the most succesful will sure get the most support (see for example what it sais about the next N console if it gets released with a DVD format)

Its like a cyrcle

Im more or less with knotter on this one.

Screw storage right now. Theres been an overwhelming amount on the medium and not even half of that news talks about the medium for ps3 or w.e. Get to the damn console or something already!

atleast its better than nothing

[Paul2]

i would like to add a little correction here...

The drawback, however, is that HD-DVDs do not yet appear to offer many of the benefits that Blu-ray discs do. For example, HD-DVDs can deliver only 15 Gigabytes of storage in single layer or 30 Gigabytes dual-layered,  a 67% drop from the 50 Gigabytes stored on dual-layered Blu-ray discs
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that\'s wrong.  Let say HD-DVD is 30 GBytes dual layer divided by 50 Gbytes dual layer...

30/50 = 3/5 = .6 or 60%, that means HD-DVD have 60% the data storage of Blu Ray, not 67% drop  or less than Blu Ray...

that means, it have about a 40% drop from the 50 Gbytes dual layered Blu Ray...

or how about this 50 - 30 = 20...

20/50 = .4, or 40% less than Blu Ray...

But I doubt HD-DVD can get up to 30 Gbytes dual layer since its first layer is about 15 Gbytes, and usually the second layer store a little less than the first...making it around 20ish say about 28 Gbytes...probably less if it in multiple of 1024 instead of 1,000...

Blu Ray can store 27 Gbytes single layer, making it 50 dual layers...about 4 Gbytes were sacrifice for the 2nd layer...but again, BR also round up to 50 Gbytes since its in multiple of 1,000 instead of 1,024....

28/50 equal 56%...or about 44% less...

Probably 30GB for HD and 50GB for BR where approximations.Not exact numbers.For example the HD-disk could be something around 33.5GB but they rounded the number for the article

[Paul2]

but again,

30/50 means 60%...which means HD-DVD have 60% the storage of Blu Ray...

they say HD-DVD has 67% drop from Blu Ray...

by drop, they mean less than...

there is a difference between less than and the amount of it compare to the competitior...

^ .....ok, but then, which of the two would be faster ? In light of data acces timings and such....I can imagine both cases to need a helluva huge and quick memory bandwidth bus

[Paul2]

Originally posted by Knotter8
^ .....ok, but then, which of the two would be faster ? In light of data acces timings and such....I can imagine both cases to need a helluva huge and quick memory bandwidth bus

Not sure about since i am not expert in data access timings...

But I do know HD-DVD runs at 36 Mbits per second at 1x speed....

Blu Ray used to runs at 36 Mbits per second too...

but now, not sure if it still runs at 36 Mbits per second or has is improve upon this...last I heard, it has been increased to 54 Mbits or something...guess we\'ll to wait till around next year to find out...

doesn\'t it have something to do with how fast each color can be defracted.  and if that is the case, aren\'t blue rays defracted at a much higher speed than red since they are on opposing sides of the spectrum?

[Paul2]

^^^

Wha?

Sorry, never heard of this before.
:nut:

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Knotter8
Let\'s hope they give it more than 4mb\'s of videoram hahaha

It was video cache!