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Offline GigaShadow
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« on: October 15, 2004, 05:22:04 AM »
A comparison of our President to the previous one... the hypocracy.

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... Bush
awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good... Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good... Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists-
good... Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good... Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good... Bush lands on aircraft
carrier in jumpsuit - bad...

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good... Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good... World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good... Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good... Bush imposes regime
change in Iraq - bad...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good... Bush destroys
training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas.  Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars (his ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces.  Not your average A-frame).  Bush paid
$250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000.  Does that sound right?  The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2004, 05:29:43 AM »
man this thread is screaming flamebait, but I\'ll be sure to watch from the sidelines :D
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2004, 05:35:44 AM »
I did it on purpose, but there is a hint of truth in it. ;)  I am waiting for someone to start crying about it.

On that note, I do notice that BS actually posted an article today that is biased towards the democrats - and I applaud him for it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2004, 05:41:52 AM »
*puts popcorn in microwave*

This oughte be good.

Giga-godzilla vs. Hippie-happy-Puff-the-Magic-Dragon! WOOHOO!


*crunch crunch* :D
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 06:08:52 AM »
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
On that note, I do notice that BS actually posted an article today that is biased towards the democrats - and I applaud him for it.

^^^:laughing:
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Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas.  Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars (his ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces.  Not your average A-frame).  Bush paid
$250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000.  Does that sound right?  The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.
I have a quick comment on this statement. Would it be inaccurate to say that while George Bush is wealthy it is Kerry\'s wife who is extremely wealthy? I have never filed taxes with a spouse but do your own taxes go up if your wife makes more?

[EDIT]I was just Googling and I found this.
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According to Slate magazine, George W. Bush has a net worth of around $9 million to $26 million, and John Kerry has a net worth of about $165 million to $626 million, which includes his wife\'s assets. The Center for Public Integrity has collected details of both candidates\' income and assets. Bush\'s biggest asset is his Texas ranch, while Kerry\'s top income source is his wife\'s portion of the Heinz company.

But including Teresa Heinz Kerry\'s personal fortune isn\'t wholly accurate. As Heinz Kerry has publicly noted, a prenuptial agreement keeps her money separate. Also, federal election laws limit how much of his wife\'s funds Kerry can use.

In 2002 financial disclosures, Kerry stated that assets in his own name were worth $409,000 to $1.8 million, and he had an additional $300,000 to $600,000 in assets owned jointly with his wife.

So without his wife\'s money, Kerry is less wealthy than Bush. But no matter how you count it, both are rich even without a presidential salary.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 06:15:12 AM »
See this is the problem BS.  Theresa won\'t release her records.  She is obviously hiding something.  The Bush\'s release their records, but she will not.  I am not a tax accountant so I have no clue how that works.  

If there were nothing to hide, why not show the public?  I think she should disclose her tax forms if he is elected.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2004, 06:55:05 AM »
So post your IRS returns here on the board for us all to peruse. Bottom line Teresa is not running for president.
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See this is the problem BS.  Theresa won\'t release her records.  She is obviously hiding something.  The Bush\'s release their records, but she will not.  I am not a tax accountant so I have no clue how that works.  

If there were nothing to hide, why not show the public?  I think she should disclose her tax forms if he is elected.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2004, 07:00:48 AM »
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So post your IRS returns here on the board for us all to peruse. Bottom line Teresa is not running for president.


You fail to grasp the point Capcom.  She is a public figure who is married to man who might be the leader of this country.  

To ask me to post my tax return is idiotic.  I am not a public figure.  The President and the First Lady are.  Are you afraid some bad light may expose the Kerry\'s for being hypocrites?  Wanting to raise others taxes while keeping theirs low and undisclosed?

Kerry also won\'t fully disclose his military records - yet the media uproar was deafening over Bush\'s military records.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 08:40:08 AM »
Maybe he\'s just respecting her privacy. If she doesn\'t have to share her tax records, she doesn\'t have to. I wouldn\'t want to, either.

If she in fact has to, well that\'s a different story. Personally, I don\'t much care how much ketchup money she makes. Though seeing how much they pay taxes would be interesting over the next four years if he\'s elected.

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2004, 10:41:02 AM »
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You fail to grasp the point Capcom.  She is a public figure who is married to man who might be the leader of this country.  

To ask me to post my tax return is idiotic.  I am not a public figure.  The President and the First Lady are.  Are you afraid some bad light may expose the Kerry\'s for being hypocrites?  Wanting to raise others taxes while keeping theirs low and undisclosed?

Kerry also won\'t fully disclose his military records - yet the media uproar was deafening over Bush\'s military records.



I can\'t remember a situation where the spouse of the president is worth more than the candidate.

I personally could care less if what Laura makes. I did not care what Hillary made. In the end the spouses is who I do not vote for. It is the cantidate.

So far as her being a public figure. That does not matter. Many public figures do not  tell the world what they make. It is a privacy issue. If she were running for president. Then maybe could see her posting them.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2004, 10:59:14 AM »
I disagree especially when Kerry mortgaged his 13 million dollar townhouse he owns with his wife to keep his campaign going.  

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Kerry and his wife bought the house together after they were married. It is not clear whether Kerry used his assets to acquire his share of the town house, or whether it was a gift from his wife, whose wealth comes from the Heinz ketchup fortune. The Kerry campaign declines to say.


Kerry won\'t disclose anything... I wonder why? :rolleyes:

I also can\'t believe that you don\'t find it wrong that he wants to hike taxes, yet won\'t disclose what his wife files?  He wants to raise everyone\'s taxes, but his own (or the hand that feeds him).
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2004, 11:37:34 AM »
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I also can\'t believe that you don\'t find it wrong that he wants to hike taxes, yet won\'t disclose what his wife files?  He wants to raise everyone\'s taxes, but his own (or the hand that feeds him).
Where do you get that from?  He\'s stated that he will retain current tax cuts except for those earning more than $200,000 per year.  That means any relative tax increase will affect HIM, not people like you and me.

Also, can you blame Theresa Heinz Kerry for not wanting to disclose her personal financial statements, after the bullshit certain conservatives put the Clinton family through?  The whitewater investigations led NOWHERE, yet conservative extremists pursued it like it was a holy war.  That\'s the only reason anyone is asking for or cares about Theresa\'s records.  They are trying to get the legal teams warmed up in case Kerry wins.  If I were her, I would not give them anything voluntarily.  If the GOP wants this kind of disclosure, they have to prove they can be trusted with it.
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2004, 11:52:52 AM »
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 If the GOP wants this kind of disclosure, they have to prove they can be trusted with it.


So the Republicans can\'t be trusted, yet the Democrats can?  :laughing:
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2004, 11:57:42 AM »
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So the Republicans can\'t be trusted, yet the Democrats can?  :laughing:
With personal tax records and financial statements, yes.  Have you seen an independent council appointed to investigate baseless charges against George Bush, in a manner similar to Whitewater?  :laughing:
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2004, 12:10:11 PM »
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With personal tax records and financial statements, yes.  Have you seen an independent council appointed to investigate baseless charges against George Bush, in a manner similar to Whitewater?  :laughing:


The Clinton\'s aren\'t home free yet and I wouldn\'t call the charges baseless.  Your double standard on disclosing information is disturbing and wouldn\'t hold up anyway.  If Kerry is elected Tereeeza\'s tax records and Kerry\'s military records wil be made public one way or another. ;)

I haven\'t seen an independent council, but I have seen a couple of forged military documents. ;)
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