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« on: October 29, 2004, 12:28:24 PM »
Al-Jazeera Airs Videotape by Bin Laden

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - The Arab television station Al-Jazeera aired a video of Osama bin Laden on Friday directly admitting for the first time that he carried out the Sept. 11 attacks and promising to outline "the best way to avoid another Manhattan."

It was the first footage of the al-Qaida leader to surface in more than a year. The video showed bin Laden in traditional white robes, a turban and a cloak reading from papers and standing in front of a plain, brown cloth background.

"We decided to destroy towers in America," bin Laden said.

He said the attack was carried out because "we are a free people ... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."

He also accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people three years since the 2001 suicide airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon.

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2004, 12:44:49 PM »
Yes, in addition to being an admission to communism, saying something bad about Bush is also an endorsement for Kerry.

:rolleyes:

Looks like someone is shooting for Robert Novak\'s coveted "Douchebag of Liberty" award.

If so, You definately have my nomination, Giga.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2004, 12:50:22 PM »
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Yes, in addition to being an admission to communism, saying something bad about Bush is also an endorsement for Kerry.

:rolleyes:

Looks like someone is shooting for Robert Novak\'s coveted "Douchebag of Liberty" award.

If so, You definately have my nomination, Giga.


I guess this isn\'t an endorsement for voting against Bush?

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"the best way to avoid another Manhattan."


BTW was that link a feeble attempt at humor BS?  :laughing:  When out of ideas - resort to insults!
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2004, 10:09:28 PM »
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/bin_laden_tape



CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), publicly injecting himself into the campaign four days ahead of the presidential election, said in a videotape aired Friday that the United States can avoid another Sept. 11 attack if it stops threatening the security of Muslims.


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In the portion of the tape that was broadcast, the al-Qaida leader refrained from directly warning of new attacks, although he said "there are still reasons to repeat what happened."


"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, referring to the president and his Democratic opponent. "Any state that does not mess with our security has naturally guaranteed its own security."


Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.


In what appeared to be conciliatory language, bin Laden said he wanted to explain why he ordered the suicide airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (news - web sites) so Americans would know how to act to prevent another attack.


"To the American people, my talk to you is about the best way to avoid another Manhattan," he said. "I tell you: Security is an important element of human life and, free people do not give up their security."


After the video was aired, President Bush (news - web sites) said that "Americans will not be intimidated" by bin Laden. Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) criticized Bush for failing to capture bin Laden earlier and said that "I can run a more effective war on terror."


The political impact of the tape could cut both ways. It bolsters Bush\'s argument that the world is a dangerous place and plays to his strength as commander in chief in fighting the war on terror, but it also underscores that his administration has failed to capture or kill America\'s No. 1 enemy more than three years after the terror attacks on New York and Washington.


It was the first footage in more than a year of the fugitive al-Qaida leader, thought to be hiding in the mountains along the Pakistan-Afghanistan (news - web sites) border. The video, broadcast on Al-Jazeera television, showed bin Laden with a long, gray beard, wearing traditional white robes, a turban and a golden cloak, standing behind a table with papers and in front of a plain, brown curtain.


His hands were steady and he appeared healthy.


The Bush administration said it believes the videotape is authentic and was made recently, noting that bin Laden referred to 1,000 U.S. military deaths in Iraq (news - web sites) — which happened in early September.


White House press secretary Scott McClellan said the administration did not plan to raise the nation\'s threat level for now. The U.S. official said the 18-minute tape — which carries English subtitles, though not in the portion shown on Al-Jazeera — lacks an explicit threat and repeats well-worn themes.


Al-Jazeera, which is based in Qatar, broadcast about seven minutes of the tape. The station\'s spokesman, Jihad Ali Ballout, said Al-Jazeera aired what was "newsworthy and relevant" and refused to describe the unaired portions, including whether they included any threats. Ballout said the station received the tape Friday but would not say how.


Before the tape was aired, the State Department asked the government of Qatar to discourage Al-Jazeera from broadcasting it, a senior State Department official said.


In the video, bin Laden accused Bush of misleading Americans by saying the attack was carried out because al-Qaida members "hate freedom." The terrorist leader said his followers have left alone countries that do not threaten Muslims.


"We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours," bin Laden said.


He said he was first inspired to attack the United States by the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon in which towers and buildings in Beirut were destroyed in the siege of the capital.

   



"While I was looking at these destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be deterred from killing our children and women," he said.

"God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind," he said.

Bin Laden suggested Bush was slow to react to the Sept. 11 attacks, giving the hijackers more time than they expected. At the time of the attacks, the president was listening to schoolchildren in Florida reading a book.

"It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone," he said, referring to the number of people who worked at the World Trade Center.

"It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl\'s talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God," he said.

Excluding the hijackers, the Sept. 11 attacks killed 2,749 people at the World Trade Center, 184 at the Pentagon and 40 in Pennsylvania.

In planning the attacks, bin Laden said he told Mohammed Atta, one of the hijackers, that the strikes had to be carried out "within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration noticed."

Bin Laden compared the Bush administration to repressive Arab regimes, "half of which are ruled by the military and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents."

He said the resemblance became clear when Bush\'s father was president and visited Arab countries.

"He wound up being impressed by the royal and military regimes and envied them for staying decades in their positions and embezzling the nation\'s money with no supervision," bin Laden said.

"He passed on tyranny and oppression to his son, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of fighting terror. Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the (Mideast) region to Florida to use it in critical moments."

The image of bin Laden reading a statement was dramatically different from the few other videos of the al-Qaida leader that have emerged since the Sept. 11 attacks.

In the last videotape, issued Sept. 10, 2003, bin Laden is seen walking through rocky terrain with his top deputy Ayman al-Zawahri, both carrying automatic rifles. In a taped message issued at the same time, bin Laden praises the "great damage to the enemy" on Sept. 11 and mentions five hijackers by name.

In December 2001, the Pentagon released a videotape in which bin Laden is shown at a dinner with associates in Afghanistan on Nov. 9, 2001, saying the destruction of the Sept. 11 attacks exceeded even his "optimistic" calculations.

But in none of his previous messages, audio or video, did bin Laden directly state that he ordered the attacks.

U.S. authorities have long said they believe bin Laden is hiding in a rugged, mountainous tribal region of Pakistan that borders Afghanistan, but there has been no firm evidence of his whereabouts for three years.

The last audiotape purportedly from bin Laden came in April. The speaker on the tape, which CIA (news - web sites) analysts said likely was the al-Qaida leader, offered a truce to European nations if they pull troops out of Muslim countries. The tape referred to the March 22 assassination by Israel of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin.


You left some parts out giga.

The state department didn\'t want this video released.

It\'s pretty sad that people are turning this video to favor their candidate. "Kerry gets new endorsement"-C\'mon Giga you\'re better than that and I admit it.

Osama is still alive. Not "dead ina mountain somewhere" The dude plainly stated his reason for the 9/11 attacks.

I don\'t know how much safer the world is. Our troops are dying we are fighting the war on the wrong country and now the guy that killed thousands of Americans has basically came out and shitting on our government.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda" but on "U.S. Policy"
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2004, 10:43:16 PM »
I don\'t think anyone should give a flying f*ck what Bin Laden says...I hope we find his ass and beat his f*cking head in, that self-righteous bastard. Why are you even considering his opinions as coherent thoughts for analyzing? How ignorant are you?...he bombed the sh*t out of us...that\'s what terrorists do. His opinions and illogical thought processes don\'t mean sh*t for sh*t.

Im done...:)
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2004, 10:50:24 PM »
Well basically what he is saying is make a better foreign policy and this shit wont happen and I agree. But its not right to carry out such catastrophes like 911

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2004, 05:06:32 AM »
Bush isn\'t worried about it. ;]

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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2004, 08:54:45 AM »
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It\'s pretty sad that people are turning this video to favor their candidate. "Kerry gets new endorsement"-C\'mon Giga you\'re better than that and I admit it.

Osama is still alive. Not "dead ina mountain somewhere" The dude plainly stated his reason for the 9/11 attacks.

I don\'t know how much safer the world is. Our troops are dying we are fighting the war on the wrong country and now the guy that killed thousands of Americans has basically came out and shitting on our government.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda" but on "U.S. Policy"


Hey rocket scientist... look at the time of my post - the story was just breaking and I posted the entire article that was available at the time.  Also wasn\'t it the Democrats with their tin foil hats on that claimed Bush was going to produce Bin Laden right before the election and that our military had captured him and was holding him so Bush could get re elected?  Didn\'t you say that Mystiq?

You know, NONE of us here know the complete truth on any given story.  We just post what we come across.  I freely admit that the story I posted from the Washington Times regarding the Russians moving explosives was wrong - but that is what was being reported at the time.  

Bin Laden clearly doesn\'t want Bush reelected - Dick Morris even agreed with that analysis.  This is another attempt by Al Qaida to influence an election in the free civilized world.  He couldn\'t send a bomb because Bush\'s Homeland Security is working so he sent a video tape.  He also apparently has been watching F 9/11 since he alluded to Bush reading to school children - Michael Moore should be proud of himself.  Spain caved in under pressure from Al Qaida - I hope we don\'t.  Let Bush finish the job.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2004, 09:01:59 AM »
Osama WHO ?

and whats this got to do with the war on oil...errr sorry Terror ? ;)

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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2004, 09:10:05 AM »
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Osama WHO ?

and whats this got to do with the war on oil...errr sorry Terror ? ;)

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No, you dingus. It was the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2004, 09:18:00 AM »
I was just saying the after the initial respoce its almsot as if we have forgot about osama.

Mind you even if we did caputre or kill him it still wouldn\'t make much of an impact to al-Qaida.There are countless al-Qaida style cells round the world.

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2004, 09:39:25 AM »
Ah there he is.. I was wondering what had happened to him.

Anyway, he\'s had four years to run now, I wonder where he is?

It would be neat of Peter Fisk could get an interview with him now. :)
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2004, 09:43:36 AM »
One idea is that he was injured in the war in Afghanistan, that’s why we only got audio tapes from him till now.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2004, 09:54:28 AM »
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Bin Laden clearly doesn\'t want Bush reelected - Dick Morris even agreed with that analysis.  This is another attempt by Al Qaida to influence an election in the free civilized world.
It seems fairly obvious to me that he doesn\'t care who the president is. He just disagrees with our policies towards Palestine and Lebanon. Nothing irks me more than people saying they hate us for our freedom.

[EDIT]I shouldn\'t say its obvious; but that is the way I understood it based on the information presented.

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He also apparently has been watching F 9/11 since he alluded to Bush reading to school children
When I was watching CNN discuss the tape that is the first thing that came to mind. I thought that Osama HAD to have seen a copy of Farenheit 9/11 to be saying some of the things he did.
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2004, 06:35:42 PM »
^^
I know. I bet he did. But then again Osama is a bright psycho for all we know he could be trying to get Bush re-elected again knowing that Bush lovers would be even more scared to vote for kerry therefore keeping Bush in power!

He murdered thousands of people. We shouldn\'t underestimate this POS.
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