Brawl in Sterling Heights

Originally posted by SwifDi
Agreed. In this instance, I have no problem with Ron Artest beating the shit out of any of those idiots. Detroit is such a shithole. Its pathetic that had to happen.

Where the hell was the security? That was ridiculous that fans were able to just walk on the court.

Once again, more reason to hate the city of Detroit. F*ckin armpit of America.



I disagree. Regardless if they are these high-pedestal athletes or not, they still have the right to defend themselves as individuals. The point is the security wasn\'t there to do jack shit, as evident in the video, and Artest won\'t take that shit, as he shouldn\'t. I actually hate Artest and think he\'s a dirty player, but in this scenario, every punch he threw was justified.

**** YOU MAN. DON\'T GENERALIZE AN ENTIRE CITY OF PEOPLE BASED OF THE ACTIONS OF A FEW 100 PEOPLE WHO DON\'T  EVEN LIVE IN THE CITY OF DETROIT.

And if Artest never runs into the crowd nothing happens. Once he goes into the stands he is fair game. Now if a fan would have came on the court from the start then hell yeah he should be throwing punches.

But Artest ran into the stands throwing puches. What a dumb ass.

[Jumpman]

Greatest sports fight in history.

I understand, and as I said I do not condone Artest\'s actions, but it was not an "Artest" incident.  If this would\'ve happened to other players they mostly would\'ve reacted the same way.

I work in the media and have talked with a few players of other teams outside the Pacers and Pistons and they were mainly either "no comment" or understood.

It is easy for us to say, walk away.  I tell anybody squaring off to fight, to "walk away"... I am not much of a fighter. I am a big 6\'4" 265 pound guy who can look intimidating, but I have never thrown a punch, even when in a situation where I probably should have.  But at the same point in time, I have never been in a situation where I have been surrounded by such a big event where the stress level is high anyway.  I mean how many people in real life do you see start a fight just because someone verbally abuses them in the street.  These NBA players have people yelling in their ears all game long because unlike other sports, they are in arms length of fans.

Most NBA players brush off the fans and thats that.  Its part of the gig, but when their is a fight in a highly competitive game and fans screaming at you and people shoving around you and then finally something hits you, a lot of people will snap.

Again, I say that, but I believe suspensions are in order.  Now as to the fans on the court, Fair game.  No fan should enter the court and start moving toward an emotionally charged player unless they are asking for it.

Whatever the NBA lays down, 10-20-30-40 out for year.. I believe I can stand by that.  But I will not blame Artest alone.

If Wallace hadn\'t pushed Artest, this wouldn\'t have happened.  Had the officials gotten control quicker, this wouldn\'t have happened, had the fan missed... this might not have happened... had Artest not gone into the fans, this woud not have happened.  Had Artest and Wallace not been bumping hard all game long, this might not have happened... there are so many things that can be blamed as to why this happened, I don\'t know why Artest must be the sole person to blame for this.

And as I stated earlier, Detroit (unlike SwifDi says) is a fine City.  I have been there a couple of times and have no problems with the city, their fans, etc.  Artest gets more blame unfairly for the incident last night, but so do the detroit fans.  One or two dumbass intoxicated fans does not represent 30,000 people in the stadium.  Nor do the other 100-150 people that joined in.

I put the blame souly on Artest because if Artest does not jump into the stands nothing happens. Ok he went a ben wallace. He got push and it was broken up.

With less than a minute left of on the clock why is he lying on the scores table first of all?  But if he had any self control and does not go into the stands everyone goes home and nothing happens.

I could see if the guy would had gotten in his face and thrown something at him. But a paper cup flew out of nowhere. He had no idea where it came from. Running into the crowd is just stupid plain and simple.

When a player jumps into the stands with the crowd he is fair game.

Originally posted by theomen
ever walked the "bad" streets?  If someone calls you a name you keep walking, because if you fight you\'ll just start something you can\'t finish.

I\'m sorry you\'re comparing apples and oranges here... If somebody throws something at me, especially if I\'m already edgy at the moment, there\'s no question I will try to retaliate.

Originally posted by QuDDus
**** YOU MAN. DON\'T GENERALIZE AN ENTIRE CITY OF PEOPLE BASED OF THE ACTIONS OF A FEW 100 PEOPLE WHO DON\'T  EVEN LIVE IN THE CITY OF DETROIT.

No, seriously... it\'s the general opinion of the American public... Nobody outside of Detroit, likes Detroit.

well, if you were dumb enough to jump into a crowd of 20,000 pissed off rabid pistons fans, then I guess you\'d deserve what happend.

Yea, I don\'t have a problem with what the players did.  Shit happens, don\'t throw something at a player thats just trying to keep the peace.  Out of everybody I put the blame on the fans.  The cheap shots I saw throughout all the coverage were mostly from them.

[videoholic]

It\'s a basketball game.  They\'re lucky no one had a gun.

ba dum pssh!

Originally posted by Luke
ba dum pssh!

Haha...I actually know what that means...i love that sound...

you got a joke?  Here\'s a cookie

Thanks...I guess...that was sarcasm, right?  I\'m sorry, I am a ditz today.

no problem, I\'m mean to eveybody so don\'t take it personal.

Yeah, over the years I have noticed...

Originally posted by QuDDus
I put the blame souly on Artest because if Artest does not jump into the stands nothing happens. Ok he went a ben wallace. He got push and it was broken up.

With less than a minute left of on the clock why is he lying on the scores table first of all?  But if he had any self control and does not go into the stands everyone goes home and nothing happens.

I could see if the guy would had gotten in his face and thrown something at him. But a paper cup flew out of nowhere. He had no idea where it came from. Running into the crowd is just stupid plain and simple.

When a player jumps into the stands with the crowd he is fair game.

I think you were the one guy that was hitting everybody from behind, you sure you weren\'t at that game Quddus, because by your statements, you act like it is fine to do what the **** you want to as a fan, it doesn\'t matter if the guy was 5 feet away or 100 feet away, the guy threw an object at someone so its wrong. Artest wasn\'t totally at fault, he shouldn\'t have done what he did, but if that dick didn\'t throw that beer the rest never happens and they finish the game, end of story