Brawl in Sterling Heights

Originally posted by mjps21983
I think you were the one guy that was hitting everybody from behind, you sure you weren\'t at that game Quddus, because by your statements, you act like it is fine to do what the **** you want to as a fan, it doesn\'t matter if the guy was 5 feet away or 100 feet away, the guy threw an object at someone so its wrong. Artest wasn\'t totally at fault, he shouldn\'t have done what he did, but if that dick didn\'t throw that beer the rest never happens and they finish the game, end of story

LOL:laughing:

I am not justifying the cup being thrown. But anyone with commen sense would not have ran into the stands punching innocent people. He had no idea where the cup came from.

A player should never go into the stands plain and simple especially over paper cups. Many of athletes face the same stuff and even worse. Running into the stands and punching people over paper cups is just stupid anyway you slice it.

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I think DeAnna is the only person on this board who hasn\'t gotten older.

In my opinion I think the blame has to be put on everyone involved.  If Ben Wallace wouldn\'t have acted like a little bitch after the foul none of this would have happened, it wasn\'t even a hard foul.  Then you have the players running around trying to start a fight at midcourt, thus getting the fans excited someone throws a cup full of beer at Artest and Artest snaps.  I can understand why he snapped, he just got punched in the face basically and has a history of temper problems so he restrains himself by staying away then some idiot throws beer at him while he is trying to stay out of it and that pushed him over the edge.  I don\'t think running into the crowd was the smartest thing to do and I don\'t condone it, but when the adrenaline is pumping like that after a big game and getting punched in the face its probably hard to control yourself, especially if you have a temper.  

Here is what I think should happen in terms of supsensions and penalties.  Artest should get 20 and O\'Neal, Jackson, and Wallace should get 10.  Then for the next game the Pacers play @Detroit they should have a lockout and have only the media be able to attend the game.  Thats what they do in soccer if the fans act like that.

Originally posted by unfocused
In my opinion I think the blame has to be put on everyone involved.  If Ben Wallace wouldn\'t have acted like a little bitch after the foul none of this would have happened, it wasn\'t even a hard foul.  Then you have the players running around trying to start a fight at midcourt, thus getting the fans excited someone throws a cup full of beer at Artest and Artest snaps.  I can understand why he snapped, he just got punched in the face basically and has a history of temper problems so he restrains himself by staying away then some idiot throws beer at him while he is trying to stay out of it and that pushed him over the edge.  I don\'t think running into the crowd was the smartest thing to do and I don\'t condone it, but when the adrenaline is pumping like that after a big game and getting punched in the face its probably hard to control yourself, especially if you have a temper.  

Here is what I think should happen in terms of supsensions and penalties.  Artest should get 20 and O\'Neal, Jackson, and Wallace should get 10.  Then for the next game the Pacers play @Detroit they should have a lockout and have only the media be able to attend the game.  Thats what they do in soccer if the fans act like that.

Do you live in Indiana? Act like a bitch? That type of foul is uncalled for at the end of the game. The game is over why try and foul a guy so hard?

And quit saying a cup of beer was thrown at the guy because it wasn\'t.  A  
cup of beer was thrown out of stands no beer even gets on the guy it\'s the damn paper cup that hits him.

So you think that he should run into the stands because he was hit with a paper cup? And he was taunting the Pistons by laying on scores table.

And all the pacers that got involved should get 30days. O\'neal and Jackson should have never gotten involved. Jones had no business up there either. Jackson jumped into the stands swinging at fans.  O\'neal runs over a hits a fan out of nowhere. He should face 30days or more as well.

I think the league should come down on pacers staff aswell. I mean there staff was fighting with fans also. The pacers orginization should face tough fines for that.

Are you seriously blind?  Did you not see fans on the court?  If you are on the court you are considered fair game.  Fred Jones was trying to break it up and Ben Wallace\'s brother was giving sucker punches from the back.  Yes I live in Indiana, that doesn\'t have to do with anything though.  

You keep saying paper cup, do you realize a paper cup weighs like .02 ounces?  Its not gonna make more than a few feet, this was a plastic cup and it was half way filled with beer.  Like I said, but you chose to ignore, Artest shouldn\'t have gone in there but the adrenaline and his pride got in the way and he did and he should be punished and he will be.  However I don\'t think Wallace should get off as easy as he is.  He was the one getting the fans excited by throwing his headband and trying to pump them up.  

30 games for O\'Neal? Are you kidding me?  That guy shouldn\'t have been on the floor, and if he wouldn\'t have been Jermaine wouldn\'t have punched him in the face.  Vernon Maxwell got 10 games for punching a fan in the stands and all that fan did was scream at him.  This guy was on the court.  The security was awful and couldn\'t control anything, I hope the Pacers that are getting suspended sue the Pistons organization for their lack of security and putting them in danger like that.

Originally posted by unfocused
 If you are on the court you are considered fair game.

I\'m sorry, I missed that one in the rule book. This aint the WWE.

Whoever threw the beer is a jackass, but Artest needs to suck it up and be the bigger man.



I\'m sorry, you just CAN\'T go into the crowd and start a fight.

You can, you just will be reprimanded. The fans that particpated in that are dickweeds and should be barred from any NBA sports arena for the rest of there lives.

Shit, what\'s a $10,000 fine to them.... nothing.


Reprimanded how? Oh no, they are going to miss a few games and lose some pocket change.

And I actually watned to get into basketball this year...

This is absoulutley pathetic. The new High Rolling image of the NBA finally blows up in David Stern\'s face. Time to make a generalization -- This is what happens when you let immature idiots play your sport, Mr. Stern.

Fans = idiots. Players = idiots. The Only reason Ron Artest isn\'t in an INSANE ASSYLUM is becuase he can play basketball. Oh, and I guess he gets that time off for his album that he wanted at the beginning of the year. 30 game suspension...not nearly enough.

See Yuz.

Do you live in Indiana? Act like a bitch? That type of foul is uncalled for at the end of the game. The game is over why try and foul a guy so hard?

If you think that fould was to get up set over than you must be the most touchy person on the planet. He tried to swat the ball, missed, hit Ben Wallace and the foul was called. It was no big deal, it wasn\'t even a bad foul. Those type of fouls happen all the time and nobody ever retaliates.

IMO the NBA should put up a barriar of some sort between the fans and players, just like in every other sport. It would prevent a few injuries too, such as a player jumping into the stand to keep a ball from going out of bounds.






As for Artest, he shouldn\'t have gone into the crowd, but after he got hit, it was ok for the other teamates to jump in and try to protect him. He deserved the suspension. Wallace shouldn\'t get one though, if that entire fight didn\'t happen he wouldn\'t have got a suspension.

Artest is suspended for the rest of the season.

O\'neal and Jackson 25,30 games.

They should have given Ben Wallace no games at all.

You mean games, not days.


And I totally agree with the suspensions.

Why is that? He had a flagrant foul against Artest... and if it wasnt for that all of this wouldnt have started. He was the spark that blew up the keg.

Originally posted by Luke
You mean games, not days.


And I totally agree with the suspensions.

yes

Originally posted by Halberto
Why is that? He had a flagrant foul against Artest... and if it wasnt for that all of this wouldnt have started. He was the spark that blew up the keg.

Who gets 6 games for pushing someone?

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That\'s a lot of games to play on such a short bench.  Bench of 1..

Heh..

Can they call up players from minor leagues or is this part of the penalty as well?