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« Reply #60 on: November 22, 2004, 05:16:49 AM »
I missed it. :(
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« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2004, 05:28:20 AM »
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Bullshit.  It\'s animal instinct to beat the shit out of another animal.  To be human you have rational thought and know right from wrong.

Artest was not defending himself he wasn\'t doing anything but acting on rage.  

I\'ll laugh my ass off if he goes to jail.

You get into a fight like that in a bar and you get arrested, what\'s the difference.

And the money he\'s going to lose for getting suspended won\'t come close to the law suit money.

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He SHOULD go to jail. If I waded into a crowd of people and started kicking the shit out of people smaller and weaker than me, I\'d be charged with aggravated (sp?) assault. I was hoping to see the NBA ban them for life, anyone who threw a punch at a spectator. Well, what do I care I don\'t watch that "parade of felons" anyway.
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« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2004, 06:34:43 AM »
Ron Artests career is pretty much over. Even when he comes back next year he\'s gonna be booed everywhere he goes.


You know Artest isn\'t exactly the kinda guy to perservere.


So yeah, it might as well been a lifetime ban, cause his career is screwed.


I personally think Jackson should have had the worst penalty, because he WASN\'T provoked at all, he just ran up and started throwin\' fists.
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« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2004, 07:17:19 AM »
acording to his lawyer he was defending his "family".........
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« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2004, 07:37:01 AM »
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I gotta agree that Pacers were looking to be the best in the east. Stephen Jackson was a hell of an addition and I feel the Pistons are gonna miss Mehemet Okur.

But it doesnt matter because its going to be either the Suns, Jazz, Mavs, and of course the Spurs. :)



It\'s only 8-9 games into a 82 games season and you can already say the pacers are better than the defending champs?

With 73 games left?
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« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2004, 08:41:53 AM »
1) Ben Wallace started the entire episode. He overracted to a foul and threw a towel at Artest after Ron had walked away. 6 games is WAY too lenient.

2) Artest didn\'t even punch the guy who he jumped on for throwing the beer. Right after the incident some news channel asked the guy what happened and he said the Artest grabbed him and said "Did you throw it?! Did you throw it?!" to which he replied "NO". He then said that Artest then moved on to some other guy. Looking at the video, the "other" guy was the guy in the hat that was punching Artest in the back/side of the head and who coincidentaly was the person who originally threw the beer.

3) Artest was provoked and attacked by fans. Jackson was unprovoked and not attacked by anyone. There is no reason Artest should get an entire season while Jackson gets 30 games. You can justify what Artest did not Jackson.

4) The only thing Artest should be in trouble for is running into the stands after the guy who threw a beer at him. Those two fat puerto rican kids should have known better than to run at him on the court. If the Detroit crowd is throwing shit at you and two random guys in Detroit jerseys run right at you WTF are you supposed to do? hug em? run away?

5) Detroit fans are asshats.
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« Reply #66 on: November 22, 2004, 08:44:20 AM »
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1) Ben Wallace started the entire episode. He overracted to a foul and threw a towel at Artest after Ron had walked away. 6 games is WAY too lenient.

2) Artest didn\'t even punch the guy who he jumped on for throwing the beer. Right after the incident some news channel asked the guy what happened and he said the Artest grabbed him and said "Did you throw it?! Did you throw it?!" to which he replied "NO". He then said that Artest then moved on to some other guy. Looking at the video, the "other" guy was the guy in the hat that was punching Artest in the back/side of the head and who coincidentaly was the person who originally threw the beer.

3) Artest was provoked and attacked by fans. Jackson was unprovoked and not attacked by anyone. There is no reason Artest should get an entire season while Jackson gets 30 games. You can justify what Artest did not Jackson.

4) The only thing Artest should be in trouble for is running into the stands after the guy who threw a beer at him. Those two fat puerto rican kids should have known better than to run at him on the court. If the Detroit crowd is throwing shit at you and two random guys in Detroit jerseys run right at you WTF are you supposed to do? hug em? run away?

5) Detroit fans are asshats.


Agreed. Every single point.

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« Reply #67 on: November 22, 2004, 12:42:51 PM »
But but Artest should be in jail and banned for life :rolleyes:

Thank god a couple of you see it my way.  Get off your goodie thought process and realize most all of you would have reacted the same way in an already heated situation.

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« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2004, 12:47:12 PM »
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« Reply #69 on: November 22, 2004, 01:29:51 PM »
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*throws a cup of beer at Quddus*


LOL :laughing:

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Get off your goodie thought process and realize most all of you would have reacted the same way in an already heated situation.


Well if you have very little self-control or respect for that matter. Then hey by all means act like an idiot.

Next time someone heckles a player he should just wait til after the game and really let that person have it.
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« Reply #70 on: November 22, 2004, 01:31:14 PM »
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1) Ben Wallace started the entire episode. He overracted to a foul and threw a towel at Artest after Ron had walked away. 6 games is WAY too lenient.

2) Artest didn\'t even punch the guy who he jumped on for throwing the beer. Right after the incident some news channel asked the guy what happened and he said the Artest grabbed him and said "Did you throw it?! Did you throw it?!" to which he replied "NO". He then said that Artest then moved on to some other guy. Looking at the video, the "other" guy was the guy in the hat that was punching Artest in the back/side of the head and who coincidentaly was the person who originally threw the beer.

3) Artest was provoked and attacked by fans. Jackson was unprovoked and not attacked by anyone. There is no reason Artest should get an entire season while Jackson gets 30 games. You can justify what Artest did not Jackson.

4) The only thing Artest should be in trouble for is running into the stands after the guy who threw a beer at him. Those two fat puerto rican kids should have known better than to run at him on the court. If the Detroit crowd is throwing shit at you and two random guys in Detroit jerseys run right at you WTF are you supposed to do? hug em? run away?

5) Detroit fans are asshats.


I agree with all the points listed.  I thought Jackson would get more games.
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« Reply #71 on: November 22, 2004, 02:10:24 PM »
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Well if you have very little self-control or respect for that matter. Then hey by all means act like an idiot.

Next time someone heckles a player he should just wait til after the game and really let that person have it.


This from Quddus is hilarious.  

No matter what you say Artest year suspension is far too harsh.
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« Reply #72 on: November 22, 2004, 02:29:50 PM »
i agree with BS..
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« Reply #73 on: November 22, 2004, 02:59:16 PM »
All right, for those of you who say that Artest should not have fouled Wallace hard to begin with, I will say this.

1.) The foul was hard and probably not needed, but it was not a flagrant foul, it was a typical NBA foul.

2.) The play before (after finally getting a chance to see the entire game over) Ron Artest was fouled pretty hard by Wallace(with no call by the officials)...Again not flagrant and certainly the only thing you can argue there is why was the foul not called, again typical of NBA.  So that doesn\'t matter either.

3.) Wallace says that he wouldn\'t foul someone like that when the game is over... well he did, the play before.

Now onto the actual incident, had any one of these things not happened, there would be a different story to tell.

Artest got punked by Wallace (NBA Automatic Suspension for at least 1 game maybe more depending on severity of situation, in which he kept coming and would nt back down so it probably would;ve been a 3-5 game suspension).

Artest then backs away, trying to keep a cool head.  Monday Morning QB tells us, he should not have laid on the table.  Thats Artest being Artest, think Charles Barkley.  He was keeping his mind off of fighting Wallace by having fun on the table.  Maybe he shouldn;t have and in retrospect he shouldn\'t have been there.  Change that, maybe the outcome changes.

Stephen Jackson, for whatever reason, decides he is going to continue bickering with Wallace and shouting comments his way.  Thats just dumb, incident over, but Jackson incites Wallace.

Wallace comes over to the scorers table and tosses a towel at Artest, again nothing major, but just enough to put something in some dumbass fans mind that "Hey I can do that too".  

Dumbass fan (ONE DUMBASS FAN, not entire city of Detroit or Auburn Hills). throws a plastic cup at Artest.  It did have stuff in it, and it hit him right on or next to the face.  change that, Wallace ad maybe Stephen Jackson come out with a suspension or fine, Artest gets away Scot Free.

Artest charges the stands, he just sealed his fate.  I like Artest, I have gotten to know Artest on a more personal level and he is one of the nicest guys off the court you will ever meet, as is Ben Wallace, but on the court these guys are fierce competitors and Artest has a switch that I don\'t know why but he can\'t turn off on the court.  Do I think the suspension us too much, yes I do, do I think he did deserve something and that something being VERY harsh, yes I do.

Stephen Jackson, he should have more games than Artest, he went in and went to fight, he had no intentions of stopping anything.

Ben Wallace\'s brother was the guy in the Grey shirt with a Credential hanging around his neck, pounding down Fred Jones of the Pacers, who was trying to just be a peacemaker and get Artest and Jackson out of the stands.

Then dumbass Piston fan starts hitting Artest upside the head, what an idiot.


Now Jackson and Artest did get what they probably deserved.  I wish it would be slightly reversed with Jackson and Artest, but that being said I don\'t understand the ONeal punishment.

A game to 5 for punching a fan on the court, ONeal never made it into the stands.  Once someone is on the court, then they are asking for it, Monica Seles please stand up and tell us why...

Reggie Miller, Anthony Johnson, Chauncy Billups and the other few players on Detroit that got a suspension, I don\'t understand why they did.  Its stupid, most of them were trying to be peacemakers.

I guess we\'ll see if the fans get a fair punishment or not.  The organization should be held accountable for its fans, it is in other leagues, should be here as well.

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« Reply #74 on: November 22, 2004, 04:09:37 PM »
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But but Artest should be in jail and banned for life :rolleyes:

Thank god a couple of you see it my way.  Get off your goodie thought process and realize most all of you would have reacted the same way in an already heated situation.


I would have beaten the crap out of some guy in the stands?

I\'m a multimillion dollar guy who gets paid to throw a ball in a hoop and it\'s ok to beat the crap out of some guy who pays my salary?

You\'ve probably said more retarded things in the past, but it may take a while to find it.

Fans pay money to come to the arena and yell at the players.  If they can\'t handle it then they don\'t need to cash the checks.
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