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« Reply #135 on: April 06, 2005, 04:44:09 AM »
DAoC sux compared to WoW.  WoW is not a grind and with the rest bonus grinding takes a minimal amount of time if you choose to do it.

As for you saying the end game sucks?  Can\'t really argue that at this point, but they do have plans to add new content along with Battlegrounds.  Basically, there is so much to do at endgame to keep one\'s interest whether it be doing instances for your class specific armor, working on trade skills, helping guildies or friends or playing pvp.  There is quite enough to do at endgame to tide one over until more content is released.  If you don\'t think so, roll another toon.
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« Reply #136 on: April 06, 2005, 06:55:19 AM »
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Ryu what talent tree did you take for your warrior?


I\'ve respecced a number of times (10G last time I did it so at least 3-4 times now).  I tried the pure arms warrior at first up to about level 40 or so and found that to be very inadequate for the purposes of tanking, but as time progressed and I respecced, I went more defensive and even went pure defensive spec until level 60 where I took on a 31-3-17 build.  Enough points in Arms to give me MS and enough points in defensive to give me all that I need to tank any instance effectively with a dash in fury for some extra critical percentage.  It\'s not a perfect build as I stupidly invested 3 points into heroic strike and thunderclap a piece instead of taking 5 of them and putting them into deflection and an additional point into improved charge.  Otherwise, it\'s a nearly perfect build for what I need.  I have power, but I also can tank very well with a shield.
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« Reply #137 on: April 06, 2005, 08:26:08 AM »
I am 31 18 Arms Fury at the moment and I think I am going to stay this way.  Protection just has a lot of worthless skills and when tanking in UBRS I can easily equip a shield and be just as good of a tank.  In MC, those extra points in protection will really mean nothing from what I hear as every mob hits for an ungodly amount of damage regardless.  Not to mention everything is immune to stuns etc...  

The reason I also remain arms fury is that PvP is much more fun where as the protection skills in PvP are pretty much useless as well.  Piercing Howl in Fury is excellent for snaring an Alliance player that is trying to flee.  Also you are correct in that you put some of your talents in the wrong place ie. heroic strike and thunderclap.  5/5 in Cruelty is a must - 5 percent better chance of getting a crit.

BTW have you enchanted any of your weapons with the crusader enchant?  That thing procs like mad I it usually goes off 3 times per fight when I solo - heals me for about 300-400 worth of hp.  Makes chaining mobs a breeze.
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« Reply #138 on: April 06, 2005, 10:58:02 AM »
Damn I had a huge response written and internet died when I hit reply so I\'ll just say this.

"DAoC sux compared to WoW. WoW is not a grind and with the rest bonus grinding takes a minimal amount of time if you choose to do it."

Do you have a max level in each of these games? I\'m going to assume no anyway.

Even with rest, all WoW is one gigantic grind. The PvP is ridiculously inferior to what Daoc has in place. It\'s been out 4 years, it should be miles ahead and it is. I\'ve already posted a topic about how Blizzard bombed their endgame.

PvP>PVE, therefore Daoc>WoW. WoW appeals to the masses who have never played a MMORPG before.

It\'s ok to think WoW is better, you\'ve never experienced anything else but uh EQ and maybe PSO lol.
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« Reply #139 on: April 06, 2005, 11:49:38 AM »
You are right I don\'t buy up every MMORPG that comes out, but yes I have played others and this is just right for the amount of time I have and the amount of fun it generates.  

I guess if it appeals to the masses it must suck. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #140 on: April 06, 2005, 12:56:07 PM »
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I am 31 18 Arms Fury at the moment and I think I am going to stay this way. Protection just has a lot of worthless skills and when tanking in UBRS I can easily equip a shield and be just as good of a tank. In MC, those extra points in protection will really mean nothing from what I hear as every mob hits for an ungodly amount of damage regardless. Not to mention everything is immune to stuns etc...

The reason I also remain arms fury is that PvP is much more fun where as the protection skills in PvP are pretty much useless as well. Piercing Howl in Fury is excellent for snaring an Alliance player that is trying to flee. Also you are correct in that you put some of your talents in the wrong place ie. heroic strike and thunderclap. 5/5 in Cruelty is a must - 5 percent better chance of getting a crit.

BTW have you enchanted any of your weapons with the crusader enchant? That thing procs like mad I it usually goes off 3 times per fight when I solo - heals me for about 300-400 worth of hp. Makes chaining mobs a breeze.


I HIGHLY disagree with you on the talents in protection.  Improved taunt is incredibly important in maintaining aggro, particularly with high DPS hunters, mages, and warlocks who crit for 1000 every hit or more.  Even if the enemies turn around for a second, particularly in MC, and hit that mage just once, he\'s gone.  That can\'t happen.  2 seconds off the taunt timer helps out a ton.  Other then that, there\'s shield specialization which helps out plenty when paired with deflection, toughness which boosts your AC count by 10% per item, and improved bloodrage which helps throw in an extra sunder armor or two in a clinch when you\'re lacking in the mocking blow, regular taunt, or AoE taunt category.  That\'s already 14 points worth of talents that are incredibly useful for tanking.

Though I respect warriors who want to dish it with DPS, it\'s just not our job.  We\'re meat shields.  It\'s what we do.  If you\'re going to play a ton of pvp, great, arms fury is the build to have.  If you\'re tanking at all though, simply throwing a shield on you doesn\'t mean you can hold aggro and maintain holding it when high DPS classes start critting like mad.  Believe me, I know.  

As for crusader, not yet.  The only weapon I\'d enchant for crusader, since I chose sword specialization in arms, is a nice one handed sword.  I\'m still using my gimped thrash blade and although it has the potential to stack 4 times with sword specialization and it\'s normal proc, it\'s just not the blade I want.  When I get a really nice high level 1-hander, I\'ll be happy to slap a crusader enchant on it, but until then, It\'ll just have to wait.  Currently I have a couple of nice polearms, Monstrous Glaive - Blackhand Doomsaw and a nice mace Unyeliding Maul.  I have fiery on the Doomsaw and +7 damage on the other two (no one could give me +9 damage unfortunately).  

For 1h swords, I\'d like whatever I can get ranging from the Cho\'Rush Blade to the Skullforce Reaver.  I\'m not too picky really.  Just need a better blade -- a reasonable one of course, not hoping for some epic drop. :)
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« Reply #141 on: April 06, 2005, 09:24:07 PM »
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You are right I don\'t buy up every MMORPG that comes out,

DAoC sux compared to WoW
 


Take it back then bitch.
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« Reply #142 on: April 06, 2005, 09:49:35 PM »
I am on a carebear server. Not really by choice, but because someone I played coh with went to the carebear. With that said. Had the oppurtunity to find a same level hunter flagged in the mountains today. I thereby corpse camped him with my rogue for a total of 4 kills. At which point a hunter 3 levels above showed up to gank me. I hid in some shrubs and slowly stealthed away.I may end up going to one of the newer pvp servers and start a new toon.That may be the excitement you are looking for also.

The only reason did not fight to go to a pvp server is the fear of a level 60 constantly ganking me. I prefer horde so it is a fact of life. Lic if you want to go pvp let me know.

So far as being this all powerful guy. I dunno if that ever really happens. Unless you have the skills and the best set of armor for your toon, and how many level 60\'s own an entire suit?

Lic so far as COH goes. You have never seen a true grind. 40-50 is pure hell imho unless you have someone pl you which they are putting a stop to it now from what I read.
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I do tend to agree with that. The whole MMORPG becomes one level grind after another and while WoW struggles to find you things to do so you don\'t realize you are grinding, it still does eventually settle in, that no matter what, you are just grinding to the next level and for what? To be the uber-powerful guy and what happens then? There is no real endgame or challenges to it.

I have a love / hate relationship with MMORPGS. I love starting a character and leveling him but at the same time, I hate the time that is required to actually make it to a semi-impressive level. I lack the dedication and paitence, like some people (*cough Capcom cough*).

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« Reply #143 on: April 06, 2005, 10:00:19 PM »
My Priest is on a PvP server. =/ Lacks the same excitement as Daoc\'s one and only PvP server lol.
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« Reply #144 on: April 07, 2005, 04:29:07 AM »
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Take it back then bitch.


Did I say I didn\'t play DAoC...  blow me.

Anway Ryu, in the many discussions on the Warrior forum at the WoW site, a lot have come the conclusion that a Arms/Fury Warrior is just as effective at tanking as a protection warrior.  Only difference is the Arms/Fury warrior might need another heal or two during the fight.

I had a full group to go fight Shy Rotam in Winterspring.  She is a 60 elite and also spawns other 60 elites throughout the battle.  I managed to hold Shy Rotam\'s aggro the entire time - no shield, just my 2h sword Doombringer.  

I disagree with the requirement of going protection spec, why gimp myself for soloing and pvp when I can do almost the same thing a protection spec warrior does by just equiping my shield.  Oh yeah I still have my thrash blade as well... occasionally use it with the hanzo sword when I do an alliance raid.
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« Reply #145 on: April 07, 2005, 06:54:27 AM »
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Did I say I didn\'t play DAoC...  blow me.
 

You clearly implied it.

Now clean my house.
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« Reply #146 on: April 07, 2005, 07:11:06 AM »
Bake me a pie.
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« Reply #147 on: April 08, 2005, 09:18:16 PM »
Jump > Giga.

:D

I am lvl 12 Rogue now, finally. Starting to dig it more now that I am at the Crossroads.

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« Reply #148 on: April 09, 2005, 08:29:54 AM »
This is a WoW vid.

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« Reply #149 on: April 10, 2005, 10:54:40 AM »
Where do I go to buy some pussy?

I need a pet and I don\'t know where the cat lady is.

How else can I get a pet?  My warrior needs a friend.

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