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Offline Ginko
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« on: November 27, 2004, 08:03:11 PM »
Nintendo
Stop whoring franchise characters(especially goes for Mario)
Improve third party relations
Go online
Take some risks

I\'m sick of seeing Mario, there, I said it.  Just this past week I see an announcement for Mario Baseball, I believe I may have muttered to myself "Jesus f*cking Christ".  I\'ve tried out Paper Mario 2 several times at a kiosk almost forcing myself to like it, all I see is the same old characters and I become bored with it.

Get aggressive with third parties.  Drop royalty fees or whatever it takes to improve and keep third party companies interested.

Go online soon, not 3-4 years from now when MS and Sony have settled in.  This also goes with the taking risks, I want to see Nintendo take the first steps for once, not wait to travel a beaten path.

Microsoft
Realize that quality>quantity
Kick Rare\'s ass into gear

Microsoft has the money to throw at developers, now use it effectively.  Get some quality control over all those games you\'re publishing and things will go up.  Forza Motorsport has been receiving ALOT of praise, hopefully this will turn out well for MS.  The relations with Bioware are also very good.    

MS invested so much money into Rare and they probably haven\'t made a cent back.  I\'d like to see Rare return to their status of the N64 days, so many great games.  Perfect Dark Zero has alot of potential, don\'t screw this up.

Sony
Can\'t think of anything to comment on at the moment.

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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2004, 08:37:53 PM »
Here\'s your problem with Nintendo and its third party relationships. It\'s not Nintendo, it\'s us. It\'s consumers who spend so much on all the Nintendo games that third parties can\'t shine on the system.

The only way for Nintendo to help third parties would be to stop making games and put the advertising into the other developers. And since that would be foolish, that\'s why the third party thing suffers for Nintendo.

Though we must admit that it is improving, both in Nintendo\'s promotion of and support to third party software.

What would I like to see?

Let\'s see, maybe from Microsoft I\'d like to see them stay their course. They\'re on a huge wave and are the player to watch next gen. The thing to do different would be to develop and push other large franchises besides Halo.

Sony needs to freshen up, in my opinion. Everyone is on sequel mode. Let\'s see something new in the next gen before it all becomes boring and the consumers jump to other platforms.

And for Nintendo, I want to see aggressive marketing. Push lots of titles, in-house and third party, to show kids why the next console is cool.

And if it does have innovative features, find uses for those features that appeal to the older demographic. Get back the prominence in this business that Nintendo has lost.

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2004, 10:23:47 PM »
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Here\'s your problem with Nintendo and its third party relationships. It\'s not Nintendo, it\'s us. It\'s consumers who spend so much on all the Nintendo games that third parties can\'t shine on the system.


It\'s not me, I prefer the Gamecube controller so I always pick up the GC version of any multi-console game.  I know what you\'re getting at though.

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Sony needs to freshen up, in my opinion. Everyone is on sequel mode. Let\'s see something new in the next gen before it all becomes boring and the consumers jump to other platforms.


Now that you mention it; Jak 3, Ratchet and Clank 3, Gran Turismo 4 from the inhouse teams, then the third party support with Metal Gear 3, Devil May Cry 3, Tekken 5...

Then again there have been some originality from Sony with ICO, Killzone, and Primal.  The upcoming Wanda and Colossus looks great.

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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2004, 11:04:03 PM »
Yeah. This gen we\'ve lost a lot of originality. NES/SNES, Genesis, Saturn, Jaguar, Playstation and 64 all had brand new mascots and games that became trademarks. All of these sort of things died this gen and just when we thought we established one - The game flopped or went multi platform.

No longer can we look towards sonic, crash bandicoot, lara croft, nights, gex etc etc.  

Now im not saying that this has completely changed the industry but things like this have changed the face of gaming and i wouldnt jump to say that its a great thing. Everybody is a skeptic and its hard to sell an idea to people because we are so picky. That or tired of the me too games etc.

I would like to see originalty but it always seems that we cant go much further. I was playing Shadow Run yesterday and i was thinking that they should make something like that again (i guess i was just heavily into the whole cyber punk thing).

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2004, 01:54:25 AM »
what would i like to see on next generation eh?

-please, try to make the size and screen position to the tv standard so we won\'t see black borders anymore.  No more underscan.  And added 5% tv safe zone mode around the edges.

-flexibility of resolution, can the developer/programmer can choose what resolution they want.  Ranging from 240 x 224 - 1920 x 1080.  Why support lower resolution fo 240 x 224?  So its can be backward with some games in psOne and ps2 or XBOX1.  Because most of the games in psOne are low resolution.

- speaking of resolution, hopefully psOne games 3-d polygons in such resolution of 320 x 240 or whatever can be switch to higher resolution like 1920 x 1080p to see those jaw breaking detail.  Kinda like how bleem work.

- texture support for games on predecessor consoles, like how ps2 have the texture option to smooth out blockiness and fixeds some polygons popping issues on psOne game.

-speaking of texture, so is load time.  ps2 have this option, but some games have little to no improvement on it, and some games can\'t play when load time is put on fast.  hopefully next generation, we may see load time support with options like 2x speed, 4x speed, 8x speed, etc.

-internet connection so we can update some games and fixes some bugs add some thing like a new song, level, character.  Or make old games from predecessor compatible if it\'s compatible on ps3, xbox2.  Like load time, it\'s not playable on ps3 when playing PsOne game on it.  with internet connection, player can upgrade the firmware and helps solve the problem.

That\' all i can think of now.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2004, 01:58:28 AM by Paul2 »

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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2004, 05:06:46 AM »
Paul2,
Sorry but I think alot of your requests are impossible becuz most of them are code related, which is of course non reversable for those older games.

As for the texture and loading issues on your PS2 with PSone games :

I discovered it\'s best to choose either faster loading OR texture smoothing. Selecting both at the same time results in the texture glitches you\'re seeing. Usually I only select texture smoothing when playing a PSone game on PS2.

My points :

Although I\'m not a great fan of typical Nintendo games I applaud them for trying to stay true to their philosophy. 3rd party games on Cube ? MGS Twin Snakes, RE games, SplinterCell etc.

For the next Nintendo console they only need to FIRE their current console casing designer and lower the 3rd party license fees a bit.
Really, imo a slick design like Sony\'s PS2 slimline console can do WONDERS for Nintendo\'s CORPORATE IMAGE ! Yes I notice kids begging their parents for such a new PS2 slimline console. 12 year olds of today are not the 12 year olds of a decade ago ; these kids KNOW design.
Bring back that sparkle from the SNES/N64 era. That Diddy Kong racing game on animals which was due for the Cube looked really cool. Too bad it got cancelled !

MS please shrink your console ! More games like Steel Battalion, but without the need for such a friggin\' expensive controller !

Sony should imo be less dependant on the big publishers as for brand recognition. Too much pulp is invading their games library.
I\'m talking Hollywood movie franchise games which always turn out to be crap. Stuff like that. Give more funding to guys like the Ico team. Stimulate original projects like that Japanese game which has this character collecting/rolling objects as a magnet.

Overall : imo the industry needs to be aware of the business model they\'re gonna use. Are they gonna keep the full Console & Disc based model or are they gonna liquidate the console into internet integration where our legally bought content will be controlled by monthly subscription service ?

Personally I\'m against any move towards the latter option becuz it opens the door for big publishing suits who don\'t give a damn about the content anyway, to put a proverbial leash (stranglecord) around the consumer\'s neck. Before you know it these corporate suits will decide, even more so than they already do now, what content, how and when we will play. The Valve / Vivendi thing as an example to my disgust. Please let gaming land NOT turn into Game Hollywood ... please let it NOT be :(
(the way it\'s infecting games right now is worse enough) The content should be literally in the gamer\'s / consumer\'s hands. That means physical content. Reallife demand for content should imo dictate what\'s hot & what\'s not. Not some greedy publisher management team. Yeah I now there are also greedy devs, but at least there are enough devs around who actually still care about what they produce. Even though Ubisoft has grown huge they still give Ubi Montreal half a year more time and funding to fine tune Splinter Cell 3. Any greedy publisher would have rushed it out anyway. I applaud Ubi alot for this ! Vive Ubisoft ! How many Bond titles EA !? ( see recent GoldenEye : Rogue Agent reviews please heheh) Please get Bond content back into Brittish hands.

AI. Single player games will need a revolution in AI. Most ppl will probably focus on graphics again anyway, even if they say they don\'t. For the next generation gameplay of single player games to keep being entertaining and their gameplay evolve, the code\'s AI needs a huge step up.
All these ppl now, who\'ve grown up with games have accumulated this massive awareness about what to expect from a single player game. They play it for month or so and then they\'ll get bored from the limited AI and scripted events and the game\'ll go into the cupboard. With the next gen visuals the games\' AI needs to react in a way just as complex/ interesting as the graphics look. I\'d say the industry should be drafting new coding talent about right now. Yeah, it needs a scientific level up !

Just my 2 cents. :thepimp:
« Last Edit: November 28, 2004, 05:37:48 AM by Knotter8 »
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2004, 06:02:42 AM »
"Load time support with things like 2x, 4x, 8x"

I don\'t get it. You want to balance loading times with graphical quality or something?
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2004, 07:50:15 AM »
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
I would like to see originalty but it always seems that we cant go much further. I was playing Shadow Run yesterday and i was thinking that they should make something like that again (i guess i was just heavily into the whole cyber punk thing).


Maybe this will get your hopes up...

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On November 12, Microsoft Corp. filed a trademark application with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for the Shadowrun mark. Although this doesn’t confirm a game is in development, it is a positive sign for those waiting for a Shadowrun game.

Shadowrun is a fictional universe that was introduced as a role-playing game (RPG) by FASA Corporation in 1989.

There have been tons of letters, petitions, mails, and forum threads requesting a videogame based on the franchise.

This trademark application by Microsoft represents the first time the software giant has made a move regarding Shadowrun.


A few months ago we had the chance to ask Jon Kimmich, a former Microsoft Game Studios employee who has joined Day 1 Studios, about the Shadowrun property and the connection between Microsoft, FASA Studios, Day 1 Studios and WizKids. Click here for a detailed explanation by Jon.


We’ll have more on Shadowrun as it develops. Thanks go out to GameGossip for the heads-up.


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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2004, 10:43:56 AM »
I want to see a cheese grater add-on to the side of the console. I\'ve always had a strange urge to grate cheese while playing games...

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2004, 02:40:01 PM »
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Paul2,
Sorry but I think alot of your requests are impossible becuz most of them are code related, which is of course non reversable for those older games.


i am not talking about psOne games underscan being fix on ps3.  I am talking about ps3 games with no more black borders.  Because their ps2 and psOne does have black borders.  I don\'t want to see that happen on ps3 games too.

Although it would be to cool to have the option available on ps3 where can can adjust the screen size and position on ps2 and psOne games.

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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2004, 02:48:35 PM »
complete 1080i support
60 fps

anything less is bullshit
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2004, 02:51:14 PM »
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complete 1080i support
60 fps

anything less is bullshit
God I hope every game is at least 60 FPS in the next generation...

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2004, 03:23:43 PM »
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complete 1080i support
60 fps

anything less is bullshit


down with interlaced.  Go progressive scan.

so, that means 1080p support.  it could down convert to 1080i or 720p for hdtv that can\'t do 1080p.    Most hdtv nowadays don\'t.  But that may change in a couple of years.

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2004, 05:16:56 PM »
Heh, hoping for nothing but 60fps on Xbox2 is like hoping for a Peter Molyneux game to live up to the hype.

Personally I hope that they continue the Xbox\'s plight of HDD\'s in consoles.

Although, I believe the word on the street is that MS is inexplicably canning HDD\'s with the XB2..
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2004, 04:25:57 AM »
Shadowrun on SNES was GREAT !

if it\'s MS game, i hope it comes to PC...
can\'t see why not!

 

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