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« on: December 20, 2004, 05:08:02 PM »
i\'m on my way out from work..but i just seen this...i will comment on this wed..since i\'m off t\'morrow...s**t i didn\'t get a chance to read it...but it looks like bush is admitting this war is becoming a bit overwhelming for our troops...and now he wants to blame somebody...the iraqi army?..sorry bush you wanna play the blame game?,..look in the mirror...


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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2004, 06:38:08 PM »
lol Wow, you read a lot into that... I don\'t think for a moment that Bush has a single regret about the conflict.

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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2004, 07:40:42 PM »
Ethugg is a conservative pass it on.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2004, 07:52:32 PM »
didnt bush win man of the year award from time magazine for his political stance?
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2004, 09:39:10 PM »
Well, for \'sticking to his guns\'. And being one of the most influential men in the world at present.

Jump- I prefer the label neo-con. I\'m not a fiscal conservative in any way. :p

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2004, 10:06:41 PM »
It\'s a double-edged sword.  The whole time he never said that stuff yet people said he\'s an ignorant retard... he\'ll never admit he was wrong.  Then the first hint of him saying something negative about the war and the same people proclaim "He\'s admitting defeat!!!"

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2004, 09:37:40 AM »
^^^People were calling him ignorant for saying how GOOD things were going in Iraq when by most accounts they were the opposite.

It is not a double edged sword. Its about criticising people for saying something bad about Iraq because it "gives the troops the wrong message" and then turning around and saying that the enemy\'s tactics are working against us. Which IMO definately sends the wrong message.
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2004, 11:09:26 PM »
No shit.  He\'s doing exactly what he criticized Kerry for.  LOL  :)
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2004, 05:23:31 AM »
ok finally read it...so he wasn\'t admitting defeat...andS**t give me a break..if you read earlier i wrote.."i didn\'t read it yet" :p...anyway...how can you blame the iraqi forces?..yea tru at some point and time these iraqi\'s need to step up to the plate..but you have to look at where this all started...riiiight...this all goes back to bush....no wmd\'s...see how we all forget about that?

the iraqi\'s didn\'t asked to be "liberated"..:rolleyes:...and now he has the nerve to say "make no mistake life is better in iraq without saddam" oooookay..:p..the elections are going to be a joke, and with no real security.. those people that ARE going to line up and vote are going to be target practice for the insurgents,..you\'re not even safe in the so called "green zone"this war has gone to s**t with no light at the end of the tunnel...
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2004, 07:30:37 AM »
Iraq didn\'t \'ask\' to be liberated? That\'s got to be the stupidest thing I\'ve ever read... Iraqies weren\'t allowed to ask for anything, they were too busy being killed and oppressed to e-mail America. Grow up, or better yet move to a country as oppressive as Iraq was and send me a letter telling me how much you ****ing love it there. WMD\'s were one of a dozen reasons given for going into Iraq but every Bush hater in the world seems to lack the motor functions to recall any but that one.

And I\'m sure Bush would like to apologize that the election won\'t go perfectly according to your liking. Well **** us, why bother trying to secure freedom and democracy at all? It could be dangerous! Any risk is unacceptable! :rolleyes: It\'s a good thing you aren\'t in charge of the country, or the terrorists would have control in record time. After all, if terrorist insurgents are going to exist, we should give into them, right? It\'s not like we\'re killing them and slowly giving Iraq the promise of the freedom you obviously take for granted, huh? Oh wait, we are.

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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2004, 08:14:18 AM »
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Iraq didn\'t \'ask\' to be liberated? That\'s got to be the stupidest thing I\'ve ever read... Iraqies weren\'t allowed to ask for anything, they were too busy being killed and oppressed to e-mail America. Grow up, or better yet move to a country as oppressive as Iraq was and send me a letter telling me how much you ****ing love it there. WMD\'s were one of a dozen reasons given for going into Iraq but every Bush hater in the world seems to lack the motor functions to recall any but that one.

And I\'m sure Bush would like to apologize that the election won\'t go perfectly according to your liking. Well **** us, why bother trying to secure freedom and democracy at all? It could be dangerous! Any risk is unacceptable! :rolleyes: It\'s a good thing you aren\'t in charge of the country, or the terrorists would have control in record time. After all, if terrorist insurgents are going to exist, we should give into them, right? It\'s not like we\'re killing them and slowly giving Iraq the promise of the freedom you obviously take for granted, huh? Oh wait, we are.


i see we\'re going to get along just fine....please tell me what were the other reason\'s for invading iraq and please don\'t say "well uh they were violating the u.n sanctions :rolleyes:" the sanctions kept saddam in check regardlress of what possible scandal might have developed...wmd\'s were the main reason we invaded iraq...all those countries in africa are bein oppressed as well..and you don\'t see the u.s. goin over there do you?...so don\'t give me that s**t about how we\'re there to help or how the iraq\'s wanted our help...iraq had nothing to do with 911..yet bush and others obviously have you brainwashed otherwise...

i\'ve said it before..the war in afganastan (spel)..i was all for it...this war in iraq wasn\'t needed...and now you have all kinds of terrorists in iraq that wasn\'t there before..add on top of that over 1000 american lives lost and a prez that states he doesn\'t know when these cats are comin home?..then wants to blame the iraqi\'s for not handling the problem...how the hell you\'re gonna blame them, when our own troops *the most powerful and sophisticated troops on the planet* are having a hard time?...i also love how the war went from a war to find wmd\'s to a war of liberating the poor iraqi citizens :p,...believe that croc if you want too..i know better...
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2004, 06:06:45 PM »
You\'ve blown my mind. Such undeniably logical reasoning and facts from someone who started a thread about an article they hadn\'t even read for the sole purpose of bashing Bush, can\'t spell Afghanistan, and doesn\'t even capitalize properly. Since you\'re under the impression that Saddam was under control, I won\'t even bother wasting time debating with you. You\'re an idiot. Or so the Bush Administration controlled voice in my head tells me... :rolleyes:
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2004, 07:04:38 AM »
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WMD\'s were one of a dozen reasons given for going into Iraq but every Bush hater in the world seems to lack the motor functions to recall any but that one.
You say this like Bush and his supporters did not harp on WMDs as the primary reason for invading Iraq before they actually did. There were no mentions of liberating the Iraqis because they know that as a whole America doesn\'t care about the Iraqis. Especially not enough to support a preemptive strike. The entire war in Iraq was predicated on the emminent threat of violence from Iraq, Saddam Hussein, and WMDs. That is the only reason Congress gave the authorization to go to war.

With all of that said are we really supposed to take someone seriously when they say that their goal was to liberate the Iraqi people when 2 years ago the Iraqis were the last people we were worrying about saving?

Give me a break.
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2004, 07:19:31 PM »
Congress? War? We never declared war, to my knowledge. Nor did Bush seek Congressional approval of the military operation. Maybe you chose to ignore it, and we can both agree the average American doesn\'t really care about liberating them, but Bush, like the average American, will pretend to want to, just because it is the correct and proper thing to do. He did use it as a reason we needed to do this.

There might be no WMDs (I won\'t debate you on the probability they were moved out the moment the conflict started - its a huge ****ing desert and we would both be arguing something we will probably never really know), but Saddam\'s regime WAS an immediate threat to the US and indeed the world as it was funding al Qaeda and other groups. Was it the US\'s biggest problem? No, I\'ll admit that. But they were a problem, one that\'s needed taking care of for quite some time now. Bush took the opprotunity to fix a lot of things - both in self-interest and for the good of the world - that his father and Billy boy didn\'t by getting into this conflict. And when all is said and done, imperfect election notwithstanding, the world will be a slightly better place to live in.

I hope for and would support Bush continuing the war on terror beyond Iraq and finishing the hunt for the rest if aQ, and then moving on to Korea, and Africa. Stabalizing the rest of the world is in the self interest of every industrialized country, even if they are too blind in their own downward spiral into impotence (like most of Europe) to realize it.

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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2004, 10:26:05 PM »
You do know that the President can not go to war without the authorization of congress, right?

As for Saddam\'s ties to al Qaeda. This administration has said many times that Hussein had no ties to al Qaeda and no involvement with 9/11. How he was(as you claim) an immediate threat, I will never know.

BTW, If you want to get into those funding terrorists being immediate threats to our safety then the Saudi\'s must have a knife to our throats because they have MANY more ties to al qaeda and terrorism than Iraq.
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