Keep your kids from being gay

Originally posted by Black Samurai
If they are choosing to be gay and society makes a gay person an outcast then they are choosing to be an outcast.

I just don\'t understand why someone would actually CHOOSE to be ostracized from society at-large.

If you choose to kill someone and society chooses that killing means prison than you choosing to go to prison.

I dont understand that either.

I have no idea what uni said becasue all I got was this yes i still think your a bastard..

    
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and as for Sam i am far from a bible thumper and I never said I thought being a man lover was wrong. I personally dont see any wrong in it whatseover.

All I saying is they arent born that way.

The brain is a marvelous thing and as far as Im concrend its the 9 wonder of the world. It obsurb to think that it is even possible to pass on personality trait genitcally or even to say they are genically familar

[Evi]

BS. Being attracted to something isn\'t because you\'re \'taught\' to be attracted to that something.

Yeah, no kidding. I don\'t how the hell anyone can think different otherwise. Has anyone ever taken biology? And Cyrus, you have a Bachelor of Science Degree...yet you have no idea what you\'re talking about. You also misinterpret a lot of things that people say.

And to think that a male and female of a species aren\'t naturally supposed to be attracted because of genetics, then you are a moron. That\'s nature and human hormones...what the hell are you people smoking? Comparing human sexuality to chocolate is the stupidest things I\'ve ever heard of. ALl of your comparisons have nothing to do with human sexuality. "I don\'t know why people pick their nose until it bleeds. So people must be gay because of their surroundings" :eek: That is the same level of stupidity that is radiating from your idiotic posts.

All I saying is they arent born that way.

Again, that is completely an opinion at this point in time, because we cannot be 100% of that. Science hasn\'t disproved this yet.

If I knew them in my more formative days, and if I placed more value on their beliefs than my parents, I could easily be gay right now.

I\'ve been around gay people all my life and have seen some disturbing things when I was a child, and I still can\'t get myself to find any attraction to the same sex. I also had nobody to tell me that homosexuality is wrong or right, and I still have strong attraction to the opposite sex.

But what about people who were brought up the exact same way but are homosexual. There are people who were brought up thinking homosexuality is not only improper but evil. There are people from families COMPLETELY intolerant of homosexuals who have come out of the closet and been disowned.

Yeah, that happens all the time.

Discuss

That they are impressionable humans. That many ideas are common to all kinds. Slavery was practiced independently among many, many groups of people that never had contact with one another. Religions formed independently everywhere, et al.

Can you tell me why a teen that know that his parents friends and society wouldnt accept him, would want to be gay?
There are many gays that are scared to tell anyone!We are talking about people who since were kids homosexual attraction developed inside them without even wanting to be like that.

A look at Greece and Rome will show two societies where homosexuality was rampant. Was it because Greco-Romans were more genetically-inclined for homosexuality? Doubtful, otherwise their descendants would be too, and they are not. It was much more acceptable in those societies, therefore, there was much more of it.

It was rambant because nobody was scared to show his/hers sexual orientation.
Also in Greece every teenager boy had to be shown the art of love by a man who WAS NOT ALLOWED TO DO ANY KIND OF INSERTION OTHERWISE HE SHOULD HAVE FACED A PUNISHMENT!

Also since homosexual act wasnt anything strange nobody was scared to try something different.But that was just an idea.Seek of a diferent experience.Something that happens in some degree today BUT THATS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.There are people who have a miserable life because they cant feel sexual attraction to the opposite sex NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY TRY.Its not a matter of choice for them or a matter of a different experience or of impressionism or of rebellion

You take the example of people that choose to have sex just like that with the same gender as if its the absolute case with everyone.Please!Stop being such an ignorant


edit:What you said isnt wrong!But thats not always the case!You are wrong that everyone chooses to be gay only for the reasons you said.But its not always a result of conscious choice

Originally posted by Cyrus
   
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Seems some people dont want TO ACCEPT that they are wrong
Pathetic

I thought I was already ignored almost a year ago.:rolleyes:

Why does it matter if they choose to be gay or not?

If we are going to have this conversation I think everyone should atleast acknowledge a persons ability to chose an alternative lifestyle, and for choosing such a lifestyle, they should be legally allowed to persue their interests as someone who does NOT choose such a life style.

Or is this debate purley scientific? in which case, I\'d say being gay is:
25% genetics,
75% experience.

I think most people are born with the capacity to be attracted to ANYTHING(hormones push towards women) but, through experience, these hormones and natural drives can come to mean different things to different people.

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Just like if turtles fall on their back, they die cuz they can\'t turn over. <----- *has nothing to do with anything*

Or is this debate purley scientific? in which case, I\'d say being gay is:
25% genetics,
75% experience.

That\'s not scientific. If being are in fact born gay, it\'s going to be 100% genetic.

"The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. See Laumann, et al, The Social Organization of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States (1994). This amounts to nearly 4 million openly gay men and 2 million women who identify as lesbian."

I\'m bored...

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Why does it matter if they choose to be gay or not?

If we are going to have this conversation I think everyone should atleast acknowledge a persons ability to chose an alternative lifestyle, and for choosing such a lifestyle, they should be legally allowed to persue their interests as someone who does NOT choose such a life style.

Or is this debate purley scientific? in which case, I\'d say being gay is:
25% genetics,
75% experience.

I think most people are born with the capacity to be attracted to ANYTHING(hormones push towards women) but, through experience, these hormones and natural drives can come to mean different things to different people.

I agree totally with your post.But personally the reason why I am discussing that some are just like that is because some people despite that they say they dont care seem to refer to gay people as weak, impressionists, people that choose to be like that because they ate pervs, or because of a rebellious attitude.I mean that shows lack of respect towards them, and racial thinking.
People can ignore what they are doing but its not polite to have this kind of opinion about these people.Its not right.Especially when some people are like that because they cant help it

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Why does it matter if they choose to be gay or not?

If we are going to have this conversation I think everyone should atleast acknowledge a persons ability to chose an alternative lifestyle, and for choosing such a lifestyle, they should be legally allowed to persue their interests as someone who does NOT choose such a life style.

Or is this debate purley scientific? in which case, I\'d say being gay is:
25% genetics,
75% experience.

I think most people are born with the capacity to be attracted to ANYTHING(hormones push towards women) but, through experience, these hormones and natural drives can come to mean different things to different people.

Because if its genitics that for some reason helps people be more accepting of it like the person cant help but to be ghey. I accept them even if the choose it.

And Evi I love the fact that I actually studied it yet your the expert on genitics what exaclty is your backgorund that gives you any knowledge whatsoever to call anbody an idiot when your speaking through your ass??? Besides the fact that your a patricpate in dry anal sex with your "signifigant" other?

The whole "Is it a choice" debate is such a bullshit scam.

Basically the left tried to push the religious-conformists(51% of this country) to allow equality to grow, but when equality grows, RELIGION AND TRADITION DIE.  And we can\'t have that now.

Sooo, the RC\'s(Religious Conformists)  Once again, as always, got the PUSSY ASS LIBERALS to compromise on equality, and hence this stupid debate of genetics is created.

Because the alternative to this debate for the democrats, is the debate that eventually leads to "WE SUPPORT POLYGAMY" and the democrats dare not cross the moderate\'s with such an absurd suggestion. (The suggestion of allowing CHOICE, of course)

So that leaves them with only one path. The genetics path, to try and portray homosexuality as genetic.

Bullshit. all of it. from every way you look at it.

[Evi]

And Evi I love the fact that I actually studied it yet your the expert on genitics what exaclty is your backgorund that gives you any knowledge whatsoever to call anbody an idiot when your speaking through your ass??? Besides the fact that your a patricpate in dry anal sex with your "signifigant" other?

You always say something intelligent and than follow with a dumb ass comment like that. But at any rate, I agree with you on some points, and I don\'t really have any strong views one way or the other. I believe people can choose to live the way they want to live and should be left alone. The human mind is very complex, and certain situations and surroundings lead people to do things that the majority of people deem strange or disgusting. But it shouldn\'t be for us to judge other people. On your other comment, I\'m pursuing my PhD of Science degree, alongside a few others.

Also, I have nothing against you, I was just being an ass on purpose, for the most part, because it creates longer posts.

Originally posted by Cyrus
The brain is a marvelous thing and as far as Im concrend its the 9 wonder of the world. It obsurb to think that it is even possible to pass on personality trait genitcally or even to say they are genically familar

There are several documented cases of identical twins growing up in drastically different environments but following almost the exact same paths in life. Is that pure coincidence or proof of some kind of hard-wired genetic trait they both shared. Who knows but one thing is for sure, you can not completely rule one or the other out.

FWIW, The nature vs. nurture debate has been going on for decades and we sure as hell aren\'t going to resolve it in a couple of days on a PS2 forum.

I just know that there are homosexual men who HATE the fact that they are homosexual more than anything (some even to the point of suicide). To think that someone made a choice like that really confuses me.

I grew up in a family that while not exactly tolerant of homosexuality is completely tolerant of the homosexual(if that makes sense). I have been exposed to homosexuals and even had a gay K1-K2 teacher. I never made a conscious choice to be straight. I just am. IMO, The fact that Weltall thinks HE chose to be straight means that homosexuality was an option for him. Which leads back to the idea that he himself has issues with his own sexuality.

Originally posted by Black Samurai
There are several documented cases of identical twins growing up in drastically different environments but following almost the exact same paths in life. Is that pure coincidence or proof of some kind of hard-wired genetic trait they both shared. Who knows but one thing is for sure, you can not completely rule one or the other out.

FWIW, The nature vs. nurture debate has been going on for decades and we sure as hell aren\'t going to resolve it in a couple of days on a PS2 forum.

I just know that there are homosexual men who HATE the fact that they are homosexual more than anything (some even to the point of suicide). To think that someone made a choice like that really confuses me.

I grew up in a family that while not exactly tolerant of homosexuality is completely tolerant of the homosexual(if that makes sense). I have been exposed to homosexuals and even had a gay K1-K2 teacher. I never made a conscious choice to be straight. I just am. IMO, The fact that Weltall thinks HE chose to be straight means that homosexuality was an option for him. Which leads back to the idea that he himself has issues with his own sexuality.

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I never made a conscious choice to be straight. I just am. IMO, The fact that Weltall thinks HE chose to be straight means that homosexuality was an option for him. Which leads back to the idea that he himself has issues with his own sexuality.

Actually, I am very much at peace with my sexual habits, enough so that I openly admit that it is a choice for me (I believe it is for everyone).

You say I\'m in denial, but I\'m not really denying anything. I won\'t deny that I could have been gay if circumstances led me that way. They didn\'t. I\'m not gay. I choose not to be. I don\'t believe for a second that I was born straight.

What else I don\'t understand is those of you who call people like me \'bible-thumpers\' and intolerant and so forth. The Bible has nothing at all to do with my thoughts and ideas. I hold them because they make sense to me, and I came up with them by taking the scenario and applying my knowledge to it. I am Christian, but I do not read the Bible, nor am I a subscriber to most Christian dogmatic tripe. Also note that I have never said, or even hinted at being intolerant of gay people. I merely do not believe that a person is fated to it from birth, that\'s all.

Take your own advice and don\'t judge. Kthxbi.

You are at peace now but it appears that you might have been "searching" inside you in the past since you believe that its only a matter of choice.
Otherwise how can you be so sure?
 Although studies show that someone can be affected by the "enviroment" it doesnt mean that someone who is exposed to certain circumstances he/she will show the expected behaviour in every case.Even if a child is adopted by gay parents you cant say that this child will end up being gay.
 There are two types of people that have sexual contact with the same gender.People who choose to engage in homosexual acts for reasons like different experience, and people that cant do otherwise.
 What you describe is the choice that has to do with conscious preferences.These are virtually gays
 But you ignore that there are people that cant do otherwise.That didnt choose to be gay.These are real gays.
 If a child that is entering the stage of puberty feels an unexplained attraction towards the same gender and continuous to feel like that for the rest of its life then it has nothing to do with choice.Certain hormones are supposed to make you feel attraction mostly to the opposite sex.So its not about choice.But for some reason some dont
 We all passed through that preteen stage where sexual arousement started developing and we know how it feels.Its not something we choose.Our body is forcing us.Before that we had no idea of sexual arousement and desire no matter how much our parents were trying to explain.
 Well these people just like us have this feel.But strangely it seems to evolve towards homosexual attraction.These people like us couldnt comprehend completely something that was unfelt, or unseen.They werent attracted towards the same gender because someone taught them.
 If someone chooses to be gay only then its a matter of "enviromental" affection

[Evi]

I am Christian, but I do not read the Bible

You\'re not a Christian then, nor do you know what it means to be a Christian.