Keep your kids from being gay

[Evi]

No one is born attracted to anything at all.

That still doesn\'t, and never will make any logical sense whatsoever. That\'s one of the dumbest statements I\'ve heard in a long time. If you want your thoughts to be valid, then please don\'t say things like that.

But if homosexuality is uncontrollable, then bestiality, bisexuality, polygamy, transsexuality, pedophilia, and, by extension, every possible sexual deviation MUST be genetic and therefore uncontrollable, therefore, we are wrong to deny them.

This is where I begin to question humanity. We\'re all f^cked.

I\'ll be so happy when they finish mapping the human genome, find once and for all that there is no gay gene, and we can put this stupid argument to rest.

Whatever the outcome, I\'ll be glad when it\'s over [even though that could be a long time from now].

Originally posted by Weltall
I choose to be straight. I could be gay in a heartbeat if I put my mind to it.

I merely prefer not to because I find it revolting.

This statement seems to stand out. I think you may have some deep seeded issues with your own sexuality. This may be your way of denying those feelings that you don\'t want to overtly display. The fact that you say you find homosexuality revolting yet could yourself be a homosexual, if you put your mind to it, speaks volumes.

For some people deep seeded personal feelings that people do not want to accept manifest themselves as hatred.

D\' nile isn\'t just a river in egypt.

Originally posted by Weltall
Attractions, likes and dislikes, are results of environmental reaction. Sexuality is no different.

If this was the case why would so many different kinds of people turn out  to be homosexuals? If it was the result of an environmental reaction only certain people would be gay. This is not the case. You have black, white, hispanic, asian, rich, poor, catholic, baptist, jewish, hindu, buddhist, agnostic, athiest, rural, urban, 1-parent, 2-parent, no-parent, etc. homosexuals. What is the common link between all homosexual environments?

I hate to say this but your a bunch of misguided little pricks... actually I didnt hate saying that..

Funny how I went through 6 years of college to get my bachloers degree in science and not once was the ghey gene brought up?

As a matter of fact I have worked 10 years as an RN in different hospitals and never once has someone been found to have teh ghey gene? It it some sort of gay gene cover up conspiericy?

Evi your a fliping DOLT... The fact that you made the statement that Weltall statement about not being born with an attraction is in fact the most disturbind thing I have ever heard. I guess if we will follow your hypothoisis (evi for you that means your educated guess) that means I was born liking women? If so that means I was also born liking chocolate, the color red, blondes and the matrix? Oh crap how is this possible I was born liking something that wasnt even created yet.....

Everyone tries to find an excuse for things that others find socially unaccepted gay people are trying the ole we were born this way theory...

Originally posted by Black Samurai
If this was the case why would so many different kinds of people turn out  to be homosexuals? If it was the result of an environmental reaction only certain people would be gay. This is not the case. You have black, white, hispanic, asian, rich, poor, catholic, baptist, jewish, hindu, buddhist, agnostic, athiest, rural, urban, 1-parent, 2-parent, no-parent, etc. homosexuals. What is the common link between all homosexual environments? [/B]

Its called prefrences..... Why do people like chocolate Ice cream they come from all those different places to are they born liking chocolate ice cream?

Originally posted by Cyrus
Its called prefrences..... Why do people like chocolate Ice cream they come from all those different places to are they born liking chocolate ice cream?

You ve been in college for all these years yet you make the mistake to compare sexual orientation with everyday preferences?HORMONES

Chocolate has certain substances that arouse the brain.You cant just compare the two of them

You dont enjoy to have sex with a woman more just because your society is build this way to make you prefer it more.There are hormones.Your body is made to prefer the gender of the opposite sex.Its not always a matter of preferences

You dont prefer chocolate till you taste it.You want to have sex with a certain gender before you even try it

And not everything has to be a result of a gene.Take the faceless child.Is there a facelss gene?No.There was an anomaly.No need of a characteristic gene.
Science also haven
t denied the possibility of such a gene.Also researchers say that there must be something still undifined that causes that.
And this could be something that happens even as the child is in its mother.


As for beastiality pedophilia etc these people are pervs.Sometimes are schizophrenic, have mental problems or come from a closed society.There are gays that choose to be gays because they are also fucked up in he mind but NOT ALL OF THEM ARE LIKE THAT!

Their sexual orientation comes as naturally as it appears in straight people.

Is it so hard to understand?

Originally posted by Cyrus
Its called prefrences..... Why do people like chocolate Ice cream they come from all those different places to are they born liking chocolate ice cream?

Yes, because "choosing" to be a virtual pariah in most of society is TOTALLY synonamous with liking chocolate.

Okay, i don\'t care about this argument. At all. Not one bit.

If someone chooses to be gay, and you try and segregate them because of that choice, then you are a power hungry bastard.

Originally posted by Black Samurai
Yes, because "choosing" to be a virtual pariah in most of society is TOTALLY synonamous with liking chocolate.

Thier not choosing to be a pariah. The are choosing to be gay. Socitey makes them a pariah. Wich I am totally against I feal as long as your not hurting someone else then go for it.

But just understand your choosing to be a man lover your not born that way. stop with the excuess own up and then society will follow.

Man gays feel attraction to men since kids.Not because they choose.That just happens.Have you talked to a 16 year old kid who feels attraction to men?You know how many kids feel attaction to men for years without a reason and are scared to tell their parents??

Give up.

Originally posted by Cyrus
Thier not choosing to be a pariah. The are choosing to be gay. Socitey makes them a pariah.

If they are choosing to be gay and society makes a gay person an outcast then they are choosing to be an outcast.

I just don\'t understand why someone would actually CHOOSE to be ostracized from society at-large.

Originally posted by Cyrus
Thier not choosing to be a pariah. The are choosing to be gay.

Give it up bible humper, no one chooses to be gay.

Originally posted by Black Samurai
This statement seems to stand out. I think you may have some deep seeded issues with your own sexuality. This may be your way of denying those feelings that you don\'t want to overtly display. The fact that you say you find homosexuality revolting yet could yourself be a homosexual, if you put your mind to it, speaks volumes.

For some people deep seeded personal feelings that people do not want to accept manifest themselves as hatred.

D\' nile isn\'t just a river in egypt.

Common response, but patently incorrect. The reason I both know this and am willing to admit it is because I am very capable of examining my own character and behavior. I was brought up taught that homosexuality was wrong and improper. I was never exposed to any homosexuality, and never had an encounter. Thus, I never even consider it as a venue for myself. I never look at a man with even the slightest sexual consideration. I don\'t look at guys and think "I\'d never do him". A guy is a guy. However, every single woman I see, no matter what, I always immediately evaluate their sexual attraction the first time I have contact with them. This, I believe, is the result of my life experience, and not something I was born with, because not everyone does this. I believe that if I were brought up in a family that was more tolerant of the idea of homosexuality, or I associated with gay people more often in my formative years, I would be more likely to consider it. But I wasn\'t. So I don\'t.

If this was the case why would so many different kinds of people turn out  to be homosexuals? If it was the result of an environmental reaction only certain people would be gay. This is not the case. You have black, white, hispanic, asian, rich, poor, catholic, baptist, jewish, hindu, buddhist, agnostic, athiest, rural, urban, 1-parent, 2-parent, no-parent, etc. homosexuals. What is the common link between all homosexual environments?

That they are impressionable humans. That many ideas are common to all kinds. Slavery was practiced independently among many, many groups of people that never had contact with one another. Religions formed independently everywhere, et al.

A look at Greece and Rome will show two societies where homosexuality was rampant. Was it because Greco-Romans were more genetically-inclined for homosexuality? Doubtful, otherwise their descendants would be too, and they are not. It was much more acceptable in those societies, therefore, there was much more of it.

Originally posted by Weltall
Common response, but patently incorrect. The reason I both know this and am willing to admit it is because I am very capable of examining my own character and behavior. I was brought up taught that homosexuality was wrong and improper. I was never exposed to any homosexuality, and never had an encounter. Thus, I never even consider it as a venue for myself. I never look at a man with even the slightest sexual consideration. I don\'t look at guys and think "I\'d never do him". A guy is a guy. However, every single woman I see, no matter what, I always immediately evaluate their sexual attraction the first time I have contact with them. This, I believe, is the result of my life experience, and not something I was born with, because not everyone does this. I believe that if I were brought up in a family that was more tolerant of the idea of homosexuality, or I associated with gay people more often in my formative years, I would be more likely to consider it. But I wasn\'t. So I don\'t.

BS. Being attracted to something isn\'t because you\'re \'taught\' to be attracted to that something.
 

A look at Greece and Rome will show two societies where homosexuality was rampant. Was it because Greco-Romans were more genetically-inclined for homosexuality? Doubtful, otherwise their descendants would be too, and they are not. It was much more acceptable in those societies, therefore, there was much more of it. [/B]

I believe it\'s a case of men being much more worth than women at that time. It was socially better to be with a man than a woman. Does this mean that all those guys were naturally attracted to guys instead of woman? I don\'t believe so.

Originally posted by Weltall
Common response, but patently incorrect. The reason I both know this and am willing to admit it is because I am very capable of examining my own character and behavior. I was brought up taught that homosexuality was wrong and improper. I was never exposed to any homosexuality, and never had an encounter. Thus, I never even consider it as a venue for myself. I never look at a man with even the slightest sexual consideration. I don\'t look at guys and think "I\'d never do him". A guy is a guy. However, every single woman I see, no matter what, I always immediately evaluate their sexual attraction the first time I have contact with them. This, I believe, is the result of my life experience, and not something I was born with, because not everyone does this. I believe that if I were brought up in a family that was more tolerant of the idea of homosexuality, or I associated with gay people more often in my formative years, I would be more likely to consider it. But I wasn\'t. So I don\'t.

But what about people who were brought up the exact same way but are homosexual. There are people who were brought up thinking homosexuality is not only improper but evil. There are people from families COMPLETELY intolerant of homosexuals who have come out of the closet and been disowned.

"I was brought up taught that homosexuality was wrong and improper."

This quote can probably be found in the autobiography of every closet case in history.

BS. Being attracted to something isn\'t because you\'re \'taught\' to be attracted to that something.

That\'s not all of it, no. The rest of it is exposure. As stated above, you\'re not born liking chocolate. There\'s nothing in your genetics that determines this. You aren\'t born liking coffee, or beer, or sunny days or football. You develop attractions to these things because you are exposed to them, and you find the experience pleasant.

Humans are born with a sexual drive (that lays latent until puberty), but it is a raw, unfocused sexual drive. Baby humans can barely function on their own. They are born with hunger, they are born knowing how to eat, but they are not born knowing what to eat, which is why an unsupervised child is as likely to drink Drano as he is to drink apple juice. Babies are born with nerves, and the ability to feel pain when something harms it, but the baby isn\'t born knowing that stepping on a thumbtack or putting glass it his mouth is going to stimulate the pain. Babies are born with a sex drive, but they aren\'t born knowing to have sex exclusively with the opposite sex, or the same sex, or with trees or dogs or other babies. They learn this, like they learn everything else, through life experience.

On the flip side, you aren\'t born with the knowledge that fire will burn you, that sharp objects will cut you, and that poison will hurt you and kill you. You learn this either by being taught, or by experience. And most people react the same way: Pain. And most people handle this by protecting themselves from these painful experiences.

There are of course some people who deliberately hurt themselves in these ways. Is that a genetic thing too? of course not.

It just makes no sense that specific sexual preference is a hard-wired trait when there isn\'t a single other specifc preference that is.

It\'s a cop-out by gays. Nothing more. Science will ultimately vindicate me.

But what about people who were brought up the exact same way but are homosexual. There are people who were brought up thinking homosexuality is not only improper but evil. There are people from families COMPLETELY intolerant of homosexuals who have come out of the closet and been disowned.

"I was brought up taught that homosexuality was wrong and improper."

This quote can probably be found in the autobiography of every closet case in history.

Being brought up isn\'t the only experience a child gets. You completely ignored the rest of what I said. Children meet other people, experience things that parents cannot control, and sometimes do exactly the opposite in rebellion. I was brought up taught that it was wrong, but I also know people who disagree. If I knew them in my more formative days, and if I placed more value on their beliefs than my parents, I could easily be gay right now. It didn\'t happen that way. I didn\'t know anyone who espoused the gay life, and I did place value on my parents\' beliefs. Therefore, I\'m straight. I wasn\'t born straight. I wasn\'t born gay. I\'m straight because of life experience. And whatever you are, it\'s the same for you.

As for closet cases, of course closet cases are exposed to insensitivity from one major factor in their lives. If everyone they knew were accepting, they wouldn\'t be closet cases. Dur.