Control Room

Originally posted by GigaShadow
No, but I have read reviews and heard countless other opinions on it.  The same crowd that thought F911 was a great movie think this one is as well... need I say more?

Speaking of F911 - no Oscar Nominations I see

So I see there\'s no need for you to think for yourself, when you have so many conservative news outlets to do your thinking for you.

That\'s fine if you want to proceed that way in your own life, but please refrain from holding forth on a book, movie, television show, or anything else as if you have seen it, when you haven\'t.  That ought to be a simple common sense rule of this forum.  If you haven\'t seen it or read it, then your opinion on it has very little value, and you might want to consider not posting.  I do that all the time.  I REFRAIN from posting on something that I don\'t know anything about.  Does that make sense to you?  Consider admitting to yourself that you don\'t know what you\'re talking about, instead of constantly trying to score points and put Sir Mystiq in his place.

You should at minimum preface your comments by acknowledging that you haven\'t seen it.  That would at least save me the time of countering your ill informed opinon.

BTW, Michael Moore did not submit F/911 for academy award consideration because at the time of the oscar deadline, he was still considering having it broadcast on television, which would have excluded it.  It wasn\'t nominated because it wasn\'t submitted.

Why watch something I will find very boring and very biased against what I believe?  I watched F911 and regretted every minute of it - I won\'t make the same mistake again.

Al Jazeera is blatently biased and you can\'t seem to admit that this film is pure propaganda from the outlet the enemy uses to gain support for its cause.  Just because I refuse to watch it does not mean I do not know anything about it.  If you haven\'t seen or experienced something does that make your view irrelevant?  If that were the case, most here shouldn\'t even talk about conditions in Iraq.  Also have you ever considered that it is possible to read the script?  By the way have you seen this film?  

You somehow think you are enlightened because you are "open minded" when it comes to viewpoints from both sides.  I couldn\'t disagree more.  Al Jazeera is a propaganda machine unlike any media outlet here in the US.  It reports one side - the side of their viewers.  The US media on the other hand attempts to report both the good and the bad - in the case of most MSM here it is the latter.  You still have failed to address the point I brought up about Al Jazeera repeated showing the shooting of an enemy combatant in Fallujah and only mentioning the execution of Margaret Hassan once in passing.  Al Jazeera also interviewed one of Hussein\'s sons shortly before the war and the interviewer proclaimed that the network supported him and his father.  It amazes me that you think this movie is worthy viewing for the American public.  As I stated the same moonbats who liked F911 will like this movie.  I thought F911 was garbage.

Putting Mystiq in his place?  That is hardly an effort and wasn\'t the reason for my response if you actually read my post.

As for Michael Moore - you are dead wrong.  He wanted an Oscar for his POS film and I am sure he will be demanding a recount soon enough.

Almost everything you wrote above underscores the fact that you haven\'t seen "Control Room."  You keep equating this documentary with Al Jazeera as if they are the same thing.  They are not.  The film is critical of BOTH the US News and Al Jazeera.  Most of your questions are answered by the film.  Why should I reiterate what\'s in the film just because you can\'t be bothered to watch it?  If you watch it, you will find many of your beliefs supported.  But then you didn\'t know that because YOU HAVEN\'T SEEN IT.

YES I\'ve seen the film.  I don\'t normally bother with such acknowledgements because I don\'t post on films when I haven\'t seen them.  I\'m not defending Al Jazeera, I\'m defending "Control Room" which is a good documentary.

Do you deny that this film attempts to show the coverage of the war from the Arab viewpoint?  It is not hard to guess what that is now is it?

I have no interest in the Arab viewpoint or their feelings on this matter.  This is why I won\'t watch it.  How hard is that to understand?  As far as I am concerned we are in a cultural and ideological war with the goal of destroying radical Islam.  This same Islam that calls democracy un-Islamic.

Originally posted by Coredweller

BTW, Michael Moore did not submit F/911 for academy award consideration because at the time of the oscar deadline, he was still considering having it broadcast on television, which would have excluded it.  It wasn\'t nominated because it wasn\'t submitted.

One more thing:

Michael Moore\'s gamble to hold his hit film "Fahrenheit 9/11" out of the documentary category -- to boost its best-picture prospects -- backfired. The movie was shut out across the board. Moore won the documentary prize two years ago for "Bowling for Columbine."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/a/2005/01/25/entertainment0843EST0513.DTL&type=movies

Once again you are wrong.  

You\'re allowed to decide not to see the film if you don\'t want to.  I couldn\'t care less if you have no interest in the "arab viewpoint."  I think that\'s a fucked up approach to world affairs, but that\'s your decision.  If you want to install filters over your ears and blinders on your eyes so that you only hear viewpoints that agree with your own, that\'s your business.

However, I\'m trying to remind you that you make an ass of yourself when you proclaim a film to be "propaganda" with the sound and authority of someone who has seen the film and judged it, when in fact you haven\'t seen it, and you don\'t know what you\'re talking about.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
One more thing:

Michael Moore\'s gamble to hold his hit film "Fahrenheit 9/11" out of the documentary category -- to boost its best-picture prospects -- backfired. The movie was shut out across the board. Moore won the documentary prize two years ago for "Bowling for Columbine."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/a/2005/01/25/entertainment0843EST0513.DTL&type=movies

Once again you are wrong.  

That is one news writer\'s opinion, not reality.  Aiming for best picture is not the reason Moore didn\'t enter F 9/11 in the documentary category.  Of course you\'ll believe it was because that suits your preconceived views on the matter, so whatever.

Originally posted by Coredweller
That is one news writer\'s opinion, not reality.  Aiming for best picture is not the reason Moore didn\'t enter F 9/11 in the documentary category.  Of course you\'ll believe it was because that suits your preconceived views on the matter, so whatever.

You are in denial:

LOS ANGELES -- Michael Moore has his eyes on a bigger prize for “Fahrenheit 9/11.”


Moore says he won’t put the film up for best documentary at this year’s Academy Awards. Instead, he wants to promote it for best picture.

Straight from Jabba\'s mouth.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=23146

Your article from WKYC.com contains someone\'s paraphrased account of Michael Moore\'s intentions.  

Here is a different article from the same day (9/7/04) which contains Moore\'s exact words, as written by him:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0907-13.htm

The only problem with my desire to get this movie in front of as many Americans as possible is that, should it air on TV, I will NOT be eligible to submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for Academy Award consideration for Best Documentary. Academy rules forbid the airing of a documentary on television within nine months of its theatrical release (fiction films do not have the same restriction).

Although I have no assurance from our home video distributor that they would allow a one-time television broadcast -- and the chances are they probably won\'t -- I have decided it is more important to take that risk and hope against hope that I can persuade someone to put it on TV, even if it\'s the night before the election.

Therefore, I have decided not to submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for consideration for the Best Documentary Oscar. If there is even the remotest of chances that I can get this film seen by a few million more Americans before election day, then that is more important to me than winning another documentary Oscar. I have already won a Best Documentary statue. Having a second one would be nice, but not as nice as getting this country back in the hands of the majority.

The deadline to submit the film for the documentary Oscar was last Wednesday. I told my crew who worked on the film, let\'s let someone else have that Oscar. We have already helped to ignite the biggest year ever for nonfiction films. Last week, 1 out of every 5 films playing in movie theaters across America was a documentary! That is simply unheard of. There have been so many great nonfiction films this year, why not step aside and share what we have with someone else? Remove the 800-pound gorilla from that Oscar category and let the five films who get nominated have all the attention they deserve (instead of the focus being on a film that has already had more than its share of attention).

...

I have informed our distributors of my decision. They support me (in fact, they then offered to submit our film for all the other categories it is eligible for, including Best Picture -- so, hey, who knows, maybe I\'ll get to complete that Oscar speech from 2003! Sorry, just kidding).

Go on believing whatever you want about Moore\'s intentions.  I do not care.

Look at the last paragraph - IT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR BEST PICTURE and it was submitted.

He failed at getting Bush defeated and he failed to get an Oscar.  I love it.

Yeah, because it was the wrong category, and he didn\'t care about the oscar anyway.

I disagree.  He is an award whore.  Look how giddy he is over the (cough) BS (cough) People\'s Choice Award which was done via internet poll for the first time.  If they would have stuck with Gallup he would have lost that one too.

I would nominate him for the Leni Riefenstahl Propaganda Award or the Goebbels Lifetime Achievement Award.

Just because he expressed appreciation to the people who voted for him when he won something like a People\'s Choice award, that does not make him an "award whore."  How would you react if you ever received an award for anything?  

Apparently some people like what he\'s done.  They go to see his movies and vote for him for awards.  That sort of pisses you off, doesn\'t it?  

Internet polls = inaccurate.

I love how giga tried to twist mm\'s word when he said:


who cares about the "other" side when neither are very accurate?

i would give "the onion" more journalistic credibility then both put together

And he tried to make it sound like mm was supporting him by just quoting the not caring about the other side part, funny how he neglected to acknowledge how mm was saying that you shouldnt listen to EITHER side because both are inaccurate. :rolleyes: