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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2005, 07:25:47 PM »
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Israel a puppet state of the US?  :laughing:  As Gman said Israel does what it wants.

The US would have declared war on Japan with or without the backing of any other country moron.

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Who gives a shit Giga?

What the hell does the intention of the US declaring war on Japan alongside Great Britain have anything to do with the fact that it appeared it had no intentions in entering WW2?

You are so predictable. Relying on bull shit oberservations in order to strengthen your out of topic point. Thanks alot, you insulted and showed that you can look back into the past and predict actions, now go celebrate with Gman.
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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2005, 07:27:33 PM »
THE STRATEGIC FUNCTIONS OF U.S. AID TO ISRAEL
By Stephen Zunes

Dr. Zunes is an assistant professor in the Department of Politics at the University of San Francisco

Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning. Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel\'s often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan. U.S. policy since 1984 has been that economic assistance to Israel must equal or exceed Israel\'s annual debt repayment to the United States. Unlike other countries, which receive aid in quarterly installments, aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues. Israel even lends some of this money back through U.S. treasury bills and collects the additional interest.



Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world\'s population and already has one of the world\'s higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel\'s GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries.

AID does not term economic aid to Israel as development assistance, but instead uses the term "economic support funding." Given Israel\'s relative prosperity, U.S. aid to Israel is becoming increasingly controversial. In 1994, Yossi Beilen, deputy foreign minister of Israel and a Knesset member, told the Women\'s International Zionist organization, "If our economic situation is better than in many of your countries, how can we go on asking for your charity?"


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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2005, 07:29:17 PM »
"U.S. Aid to Israel: Interpreting the \'Strategic Relationship"\'
by Stephen Zunes

"The U.S. aid relationship with ISRAEL IS UNLIKE ANY OTHER in the world," said Stephen Zunes during a January 26 CPAP presentation. "In sheer volume, the amount is the most generous foreign aid program ever between any two countries," added Zunes, associate professor of Politics and chair of the Peace and Justice Studies Program at the University of San Francisco.

He explored the strategic reasoning behind the aid, asserting that it parallels the "needs of American arms exporters" and the role "Israel could play in advancing U.S. strategic interests in the region."

Although Israel is an "advanced, industrialized, technologically sophisticated country," it "receives more U.S. aid per capita annually than the total annual [Gross Domestic Product] per capita of several Arab states." Approximately a third of the entire U.S. foreign aid budget goes to Israel, "even though Israel comprises just…one-thousandth of the world\'s total population, and already has one of the world\'s higher per capita incomes."

U.S. government officials argue that this money is necessary for "moral" reasons-some even say that Israel is a "democracy battling for its very survival." If that were the real reason, however, aid should have been highest during Israel\'s early years, and would have declined as Israel grew stronger. Yet "the pattern…has been just the opposite." According to Zunes, "99 percent of all U.S. aid to Israel took place after the June 1967 war, when Israel found itself more powerful than any combination of Arab armies…."

The U.S. supports Israel\'s dominance so it can serve as "a surrogate for American interests in this vital strategic region." "Israel has helped defeat radical nationalist movements" and has been a "testing ground for U.S. made weaponry." Moreover, the intelligence agencies of both countries have "collaborated," and "Israel has funneled U.S. arms to third countries that the U.S. [could] not send arms to directly,…Iike South Africa, like the Contras, Guatemala under the military junta, [and] Iran." Zunes cited an Israeli analyst who said: "\'It\'s like Israel has just become another federal agency when it\'s convenient to use and you want something done quietly."\' Although the strategic relationship between the United States and the Gulf Arab states in the region has been strengthening in recent years, these states "do not have the political stability, the technological sophistication, [or] the number of higher-trained armed forces personnel" as does Israel.

Matti Peled, former Israeli major general and Knesset member, told Zunes that he and most Israeli generals believe this aid is "little more than an American subsidy to U.S. arms manufacturers," considering that the majority of military aid to Israel is used to buy weapons from the U.S. Moreover, arms to Israel create more demand for weaponry in Arab states. According to Zunes, "the Israelis announced back in 1991 that they supported the idea of a freeze in Middle East arms transfers, yet it was the United States that rejected it."

In the fall of 1993-when many had high hopes for peace-78 senators wrote to former President Bill Clinton insisting that aid to Israel remain "at current levels." Their "only reason" was the "massive procurement of sophisticated arms by Arab states." The letter neglected to mention that 80 percent of those arms to Arab countries came from the U.S. "I\'m not denying for a moment the power of AIPAC [the American Israel Public Affairs Committee], the pro-Israel lobby," and other similar groups, Zunes said. Yet the "Aerospace Industry Association which promotes these massive arms shipments…is even more influential." This association has given two times more money to campaigns than all of the pro-Israel groups combined. Its "force on Capitol Hill, in terms of lobbying, surpasses that of even AIPAC." Zunes asserted that the "general thrust of U.S. policy would be pretty much the same even if AIPAC didn\'t exist. We didn\'t need a pro-Indonesia lobby to support Indonesia in its savage repression of East Timor all these years." This is a complex issue, and Zunes said that he did not want to be "conspiratorial," but he asked the audience to imagine what "Palestinian industriousness, Israeli technology, and Arabian oil money…would do to transform the Middle East…. [W]hat would that mean to American arms manufacturers? Oil companies? Pentagon planners?"

"An increasing number of Israelis are pointing out" that these funds are not in Israel\'s best interest. Quoting Peled, Zunes said, "this aid pushes Israel \'toward a posture of callous intransigence\' in terms of the peace process." Moreover, for every dollar the U.S. sends in arms aid, Israel must spend two to three dollars to train people to use the weaponry, to buy parts, and in other ways make use of the aid. Even "main-stream Israeli economists are saying [it] is very harmful to the country\'s future."

The Israeli paper Yediot Aharonot described Israel as "\'the godfather\'s messenger\' since [Israel] undertake the \'dirty work\' of a godfather who \'always tries to appear to be the owner of some large, respectable business."\' Israeli satirist B. Michael refers to U.S. aid this way: "\'My master gives me food to eat and I bite those whom he tells me to bite. It\'s called strategic cooperation." \'To challenge this strategic relationship, one cannot focus solely on the Israeli lobby but must also examine these "broader forces as well." "Until we tackle this issue head-on," it will be "very difficult to win" in other areas relating to Palestine.

"The results" of the short-term thinking behind U.S. policy "are tragic," not just for the "immediate victims" but "eventually [for] Israel itself" and "American interests in the region." The U.S. is sending enormous amounts of aid to the Middle East, and yet "we are less secure than ever"-both in terms of U.S. interests abroad and for individual Americans. Zunes referred to a "growing and increasing hostility [of] the average Arab toward the United States." In the long term, said Zunes, "peace and stability and cooperation with the vast Arab world is far more important for U.S. interests than this alliance with Israel."

This is not only an issue for those who are working for Palestinian rights, but it also "jeopardizes the entire agenda of those of us concerned about human rights, concerned about arms control, concerned about international law." Zunes sees significant potential in "building a broad-based movement around it."

The above text is based on remarks, delivered on. 26 January, 2001 by Stephen Zunes - Associate Professor of Politics and Chair of the Peace and Justice Studies Program at San Francisco University.

http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

Military and Economic Aid

Since 1976, Israel had been the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance. According to a November 2001 Congressional Research Service report, Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance, U.S. aid to Israel in the last half century has totaled a whopping $81.3 billion.

In recent years, Israel remains the top recipient of U.S. military and economic assistance. The most commonly cited figure is $3 billion a year, with about $1.8 billion a year in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) grants from the Department of Defense and an additional $1.2 billion a year in Economic Support Funds (ESF) from the Department of State. In the last decade FMF grants to Israel have totaled $18.2 billion. In fact, 17% of all U.S. foreign aid is earmarked for Israel.

For 2003, the Bush administration is proposing that Israel receive $2.76 billion in foreign aid, with $2.1 billion in FMF and $600 million in ESF. An additional $28 million will go to Israel for the purchase U.S. manufactured counter terrorism equipment.


FREE WEAPONS TO ISRAEL

The U.S. also gives Israel weapons and ammunition as part of the Excess Defense Articles (EDA) program, providing these articles completely free of charge. Between 1994-2001 the U.S. provided many weapons through this program, including:

64,744 M-16A1 rifles
2,469 M-204 grenade launchers
1,500 M-2 .50 caliber machine guns
.30 caliber, .50 caliber, and 20mm ammunition


You\'re right Giga. A country that receives the most aid from the United States, that just happens to be in the middle east, that just happens to be the only true ally the US has there, that just happens to be the strongest militarily and would probably be the only country the US backs up in a war. Yes, that is the complete opposite of a pet country.
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2005, 07:34:32 PM »
What does aid have to do with being a puppet state?  

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What the hell does the intention of the US declaring war on Japan alongside Great Britain have anything to do with the fact that it appeared it had no intentions in entering WW2?


You brought it up not me.  I still fail to see why you even brought up the UK declaring war on Japan when you are talking about why the US did.  

Something you also fail to realize is what the word alliance means.  Go look it up.
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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2005, 07:48:32 PM »
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What does aid have to do with being a puppet state?  



You brought it up not me.  I still fail to see why you even brought up the UK declaring war on Japan when you are talking about why the US did.  

Something you also fail to realize is what the word alliance means.  Go look it up.



It was for HISTORICAL REFERENCE. That is how I remember it:
 

History teacher:

"When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, that caused the US, alongside Great Britain, to declare war on Japan. Later on, Germany declared war on the United States"

It was NOT A MAJOR POINT OF MY POST. But there you go again, trying to find something nitpicky in order to chew on it and spit it out by attempting it to connect it for my "hatred" toward this country.

I know what alliance mean. What the hell does that have anything to do with it? Alliance, dependent state...whatever. Same thing.

And AID. The United States gives Israel ONE THIRD of it\'s foreign aid. What does that mean to you? Surely, Israel is not being taken care of by the US right? I mean, it\'s just a massive amount of money being spent on a tiny country, it\'s out of friendship, right?

Please, my dog could hide his shit better than that.
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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2005, 08:01:15 PM »
What the hell do you think the elections are about in Israel? That\'s it\'s rigged? So they can control Israel?

Please prove that Israel is a puppet state other than foriegn aid. Foriegn aid does not equate to puppeteering another country.

I mean....crikey....the US sent aid to the Philippines, Cyprus, Turkey, Jordan, several African nations....HOLY COW! MEXICO!!!!

AY CARAMBA! Drop the chalupa! YOU\'RE A PUPPET!

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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2005, 08:18:32 PM »
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What the hell do you think the elections are about in Israel? That\'s it\'s rigged? So they can control Israel?

Please prove that Israel is a puppet state other than foriegn aid. Foriegn aid does not equate to puppeteering another country.

I mean....crikey....the US sent aid to the Philippines, Cyprus, Turkey, Jordan, several African nations....HOLY COW! MEXICO!!!!

AY CARAMBA! Drop the chalupa! YOU\'RE A PUPPET!

Miss Tiq....please castrate yourself so that you cannot have children. I\'m afraid your kids will be as stupid as you.


Here we go. I remember stating that the definition of a "puppet" country is not the literal term. Israel is the US\' baby and I\'ve never claimed that the US had any sort of control on the country. It might have influence, with such huge amounts of aid given to it, but other than that it\'s not literally a "puppet" country.

Nice try. You try to squeeze out as much as you could out of the denotation of a word.

The US sends Israel ONE THIRD of foreign policy. Why do you bring up all of those other countries? What the do they have anything to do with it? I never said the US doesn\'t aid other countries, they aren\'t as "generous" to them as they are to Israel, eventhough some of those countries need the aid alot more than Israel.

And then you continue with your racist remarks. Very predictable. Why don\'t you actually grow a penis so I can tell you to castrate yourself also?

We don\'t need any dogmatist walking around with their heads up their ass.
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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2005, 08:32:43 PM »
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Here we go. I remember stating that the definition of a "puppet" country is not the literal term. Israel is the US\' baby and I\'ve never claimed that the US had any sort of control on the country. It might have influence, with such huge amounts of aid given to it, but other than that it\'s not literally a "puppet" country.

Nice try. You try to squeeze out as much as you could out of the denotation of a word.

The US sends Israel ONE THIRD of foreign policy. Why do you bring up all of those other countries? What the do they have anything to do with it? I never said the US doesn\'t aid other countries, they aren\'t as "generous" to them as they are to Israel, eventhough some of those countries need the aid alot more than Israel.

And then you continue with your racist remarks. Very predictable. Why don\'t you actually grow a penis so I can tell you to castrate yourself also?

We don\'t need any dogmatist walking around with their heads up their ass.


So now you\'re back pedaling from the literal meaning of "puppet". Nice try. But it\'s quite difficult for me to argue with one who doesn\'t even know the proper definition and makes up his own. The reason why I brought up the other countries (coz you can\'t get a clue) is that since the US sends aid to them, they are also puppets to you.

I don\'t care if Israel gets 1/3rd or 1/30th of the total aid the US sends. I have a feeling you don\'t like Israel getting help from the US. Maybe coz you\'re anti-semetic.

I\'m not racist, you little chihuahua. I certainly ain\'t anti-semetic like you.
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2005, 08:39:07 PM »
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Before you make any stupid assumptions about the word "puppet state" I know what it means. I could find no other word to fit the definition of a country that has the United States as it\'s main protector. Don\'t deny that Israel is always kept on a leash by the US...or the other way around.

 



I typed that about 6 posts ago. Before you attempted to prove a point by using a word to boost your stupidity. I know what a puppet state is, but I had no other word for it at the time. It happens. Deal with it.


I never said that about the other countries. And before you get any more happy with the word "puppet" let\'s make it clear now that I did not intend the word to be used in it\'s dictionary-or known meaning, instead I used it in a more connotative way.

Yes, GmanJane. You have figured me out. My blind hate doesn\'t end toward racist rednecks such as some in these forums, it also extends to the Jewish community. Nice job! Now, go on and masterbate to your own, self-acquired sense of intellectual security. Which you show by your tasteless, ignorant and tacky comments about my race.
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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2005, 08:46:09 PM »
The race of Chihuahuas?

Israel is an ally. Look up the definition of ally. Now look up the word "puppet state". I promise you\'ll be smarter if you do.
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« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2005, 08:52:00 PM »
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The race of Chihuahuas?

Israel is an ally. Look up the definition of ally. Now look up the word "puppet state". I promise you\'ll be smarter if you do.


Yes, the race of Chihuahuas...Idiot.

I think I already said. Regardless of the status of another country, the US has put alot of financial support to Israel, even though it has other allies. And like I\'ve said before Jane, I know what a puppet state is.


Did you look them up? Appereantly, your theory about looking them up doesn\'t exactly work.
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« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2005, 04:49:21 AM »
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Yes, the race of Chihuahuas...Idiot.

I think I already said. Regardless of the status of another country, the US has put alot of financial support to Israel, even though it has other allies. And like I\'ve said before Jane, I know what a puppet state is.


Did you look them up? Appereantly, your theory about looking them up doesn\'t exactly work.


I can\'t take your argument seriously at all since this stupid definition of yours is plainly rediculous. Then you say the US meddled in the affairs of Germany and Britain when it provided arms to Britain.

Meddle : To intrude into other people\'s affairs or business; interfere.

But Britain obviously didn\'t think the US was meddling! Israel doesn\'t think so either. By your screwed up definition, they are puppet states of the US. YOUR DEFINITION.

You don\'t need me to point out how stupid you are. You do that on your own pretty well. You should be ashamed. Maybe that\'s okay in your family but in mine, stupidity is looked down upon.
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« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2005, 04:54:15 AM »
puppet state

n : a government that is appointed by and whose affairs are directed by an outside authority that may impose hardships on those governed

Ally

n 1: a friendly nation 2: an associate who provides assistance; "he\'s a good ally in fight"; "they were friends of the workers"


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n: 1. A dumb ass and offspring of illegal aliens that flounders around trying to be a politcal know-it-all at PSX2Central.

2. Gman\'s bitch.
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« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2005, 05:10:27 AM »
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puppet state

n : a government that is appointed by and whose affairs are directed by an outside authority that may impose hardships on those governed

Ally

n 1: a friendly nation 2: an associate who provides assistance; "he\'s a good ally in fight"; "they were friends of the workers"


Sir Miss Tiq

n: 1. A dumb ass and offspring of illegal aliens that flounders around trying to be a politcal know-it-all at PSX2Central.

2. Gman\'s bitch.


That pretty much sums up the whole argument.
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2005, 07:59:42 AM »
K just to clarify something for someone who has just started reading this:

Israel could walk over the Middle-East anytime. The world has indeed changed, and they have only become stronger with it. Don\'t kid yourselves, Israel is the only middle eastern country with a decent air force. I say decent but in truth they are muther fucking godly and everyone in their military is beyond well trained and has tons of experience from leaving under siege 24/7.

Israel>middle east. Sorry but nothing there touches their air force.
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