Bush\'s Nightly News

OK, if you stick to this position that\'s fine with me.

However you cannot complain about "propaganda" or using taxpayer dollars to market an agenda and influence public opinion ever again, since you let Bush off the hook for it.  

My standards are a little higher than yours apparently.

Unfortunately working in government I know how things work and thats the reality of the situation.  Call me a realist.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
In the grand scheme of things - events like this and like what Clinton went through don\'t matter.

If stuff like this doesn\'t matter, then what does? The Schiavo Case? You seem to think THAT is an important issue but when it comes to the governments manipulation of the media you act like it is a nonissue. That is ridiculous. You act like you would say the same thing if it were a Democratic administration when we ALL know you would not.

You have done it before. When a Democrat does something you are up in arms but when it is pointed out that the Repubs have done the same thing you ignore it. You really have NO credibility when it comes to political discussion. No matter what the issue is we can count on you spouting republican talking points and Mystiq spouting far left propaganda without fail. It is crazy. Pull your head out of Bush\'s ass FOR ONCE and admit that this is not cool. The fact that it has happened before does not give the Bush administration a pass.

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Originally posted by Black Samurai
If stuff like this doesn\'t matter, then what does? The Schiavo Case? You seem to think THAT is an important issue but when it comes to the governments manipulation of the media you act like it is a nonissue. That is ridiculous. You act like you would say the same thing if it were a Democratic administration when we ALL know you would not.

You have done it before. When a Democrat does something you are up in arms but when it is pointed out that the Repubs have done the same thing you ignore it. You really have NO credibility when it comes to political discussion. No matter what the issue is we can count on you spouting republican talking points and Mystiq spouting far left propaganda without fail. It is crazy. Pull your head out of Bush\'s ass FOR ONCE and admit that this is not cool. The fact that it has happened before does not give the Bush administration a pass.

yep..this is true..but to be fair we all know giga\'s stance in the political forum..he\'s republican..so it\'s only fair to say that he would do such things...i consider myself a dem but if like i stated a million times already i flet bush was the stronger prez besides kerry..."shrugs"  i mean we all stand for something right? either dem or republican or a little of both....

Originally posted by Black Samurai
If stuff like this doesn\'t matter, then what does? The Schiavo Case? You seem to think THAT is an important issue but when it comes to the governments manipulation of the media you act like it is a nonissue. That is ridiculous. You act like you would say the same thing if it were a Democratic administration when we ALL know you would not.

Really?  Give me a past example.  You obviously know nothing about politics and how everything from the Federal government to local governments operate.  There has been no manipulation of the media to the extent you think there has.  Tell me what this has caused?  What negative effect has it had?  It is a nonissue.  Comparing the Shiavo case with this is mixing apples and oranges.  One involves politics, the other involves morality and the law.

Originally posted by Black Samurai

You have done it before. When a Democrat does something you are up in arms but when it is pointed out that the Repubs have done the same thing you ignore it. You really have NO credibility when it comes to political discussion.

All you do is make blind accusations and never back any of your dribble up with facts - I would even go as far to say you are more of an idiot than Mystiq - not that I hold him in any high regard, but at least he attempts to inject some kind of fact into a discussion, yet you blindly rant on about me and GWB.  I know more about politics and the political process than you can ever hope to learn and just because I disagree with your short sighted view I am labeled by you to have "NO crediblity".  Ironically, I have heard this from you before... I am beginning to believe it is your only form of a counter argument.    

Originally posted by Black Samurai

No matter what the issue is we can count on you spouting republican talking points and Mystiq spouting far left propaganda without fail. It is crazy. Pull your head out of Bush\'s ass FOR ONCE and admit that this is not cool. The fact that it has happened before does not give the Bush administration a pass.

Another blanket statement that you are completely wrong on.  There are plenty of issues I don\'t agree with Bush on, but no one has brought them up.  His wanting to ease immigration policy being one that comes to mind.  This is such a non story - they have even stopped discussing it on a lot of anti Bush websites.  Maybe it sounds like Republican talking points because I am a Republican?  ya think?  I don\'t need to look any "talking points" up as they are my own thoughts.  Hard to believe isn\'t it?    

To think that any administration isn\'t going to try and spread positive news is unrealistic and shows your lack of real world knowledge.  I hate to break it to you, but Utopia doesn\'t exist and if this were Clinton I would bet money you wouldn\'t even be talking about it, just as I wouldn\'t.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
To think that any administration isn\'t going to try and spread positive news is unrealistic and shows your lack of real world knowledge.  I hate to break it to you, but Utopia doesn\'t exist and if this were Clinton I would bet money you wouldn\'t even be talking about it, just as I wouldn\'t.

Sorry to break it to you, but this probably wouldn\'t have happened if Clinton were in office.  That\'s why you\'re so safe in saying that you wouldn\'t care if a Democratic President did this.  I think you know that a Democratic President probably wouldn\'t do it.  Where I see Republicans politicans as more manipulative and mean spirited than Democrats, you probably see them as simply more "competitive" or something like that.  Is it possible you see this behavior as a virtue?

Originally posted by Coredweller
Sorry to break it to you, but this probably wouldn\'t have happened if Clinton were in office.  That\'s why you\'re so safe is saying that you wouldn\'t care if a Democratic President did this.  I think you know that a Democratic President probably wouldn\'t do it.

That is a willing suspension of disbelief.  How do you know this didn\'t happen when Clinton was in office?  You don\'t.  Personally I don\'t care if it did.  As for your characterization of Republicans, I can think of a quite a few labels that I could lump all Democrats into, but that would be getting really off topic.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Really?  Give me a past example.  You obviously know nothing about politics and how everything from the Federal government to local governments operate.  There has been no manipulation of the media to the extent you think there has.  Tell me what this has caused?  What negative effect has it had?  It is a nonissue.  Comparing the Shiavo case with this is mixing apples and oranges.  One involves politics, the other involves morality and the law.

Yes, we can\'t ALL be insiders like those working for the Department of Transportation. :rolleyes:

If you REALLY think that bringing in fake reporters to lob the Administration softball questions, releasing government news reports(without mentioning it is from the government), and paying writers/reporters/TV personalities to talk favorably about administration policies is NOT manipulation then there is nothing more to be discussed here.

Yes, you are right. One involves politics and the other morality and law. The Shiavo case reeks of political influence when it shouldn\'t and manipulation of the media/public opinion is a moral and legal issue but it is being ignored. Good call on that.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
All you do is make blind accusations and never back any of your dribble up with facts - I would even go as far to say you are more of an idiot than Mystiq - not that I hold him in any high regard, but at least he attempts to inject some kind of fact into a discussion, yet you blindly rant on about me and GWB.  I know more about politics and the political process than you can ever hope to learn and just because I disagree with your short sighted view I am labeled by you to have "NO crediblity".  Ironically, I have heard this from you before... I am beginning to believe it is your only form of a counter argument.  

What is funny is that I generally ALWAYS back up my statements. It is just that you always manage to find some random issue with the source/writer that you think gives you enough reason to ignore the information altogether. You do it all the time. The reason you have heard this from me before is because it is true. I don\'t tell OTHER people they have no credibility, when arguing, so maybe it is just you.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Another blanket statement that you are completely wrong on.  There are plenty of issues I don\'t agree with Bush on, but no one has brought them up.  His wanting to ease immigration policy being one that comes to mind.  This is such a non story - they have even stopped discussing it on a lot of anti Bush websites.  Maybe it sounds like Republican talking points because I am a Republican?  ya think?  I don\'t need to look any "talking points" up as they are my own thoughts.  Hard to believe isn\'t it?

Oh my! You disagree on the easing of immigration?! What person besides Bush and every Mexican in existance doesn\'t?

Everything you say sounds like Republican talking points because 9/10 they ARE Republican talking points. When you stop posting the exact same information and arguments as your favorite pundits then I\'ll believe you are not just spouting off talking points.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
To think that any administration isn\'t going to try and spread positive news is unrealistic and shows your lack of real world knowledge.  I hate to break it to you, but Utopia doesn\'t exist and if this were Clinton I would bet money you wouldn\'t even be talking about it, just as I wouldn\'t.

Tell me. How exactly is bringing in a patsy to lob Bush easy questions an attempt to spread positive news? And what was it about the inaccurate Medicaid information they presented in those news pieces that we NEEDED to hear?

Originally posted by Black Samurai
Yes, we can\'t ALL be insiders like those working for the Department of Transportation. :rolleyes:

Believe it not the DOT works with all levels of government and you would be surprised at how things work.  I will tell you this - they don\'t work as they were intended to and as of this moment we still don\'t have a new transportation bill which expired last year.

Originally posted by Black Samurai
If you REALLY think that bringing in fake reporters to lob the Administration softball questions, releasing government news reports(without mentioning it is from the government), and paying writers/reporters/TV personalities to talk favorably about administration policies is NOT manipulation then there is nothing more to be discussed here.

Oh Noooos!  One illegitmate reporter out of how many?  Like this guy was the only source of news coming out of the White House!?!?  This the problem with liberals they think most Americans are stupid and have to be told by media what is factual and non factual.  God forbid they make up their own minds.  You either know the facts or you don\'t.  

Also when did it become a crime to report administration policies in a favorable light?  What if he was paid to report them in a negative light by someone like George Soros?  Can\'t happen?  Ask Tom Delay about it.

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/032305/soros.html

Originally posted by Black Samurai
Yes, you are right. One involves politics and the other morality and law. The Shiavo case reeks of political influence when it shouldn\'t and manipulation of the media/public opinion is a moral and legal issue but it is being ignored. Good call on that.
What is funny is that I generally ALWAYS back up my statements. It is just that you always manage to find some random issue with the source/writer that you think gives you enough reason to ignore the information altogether. You do it all the time. The reason you have heard this from me before is because it is true. I don\'t tell OTHER people they have no credibility, when arguing, so maybe it is just you.
Oh my! You disagree on the easing of immigration?! What person besides Bush and every Mexican in existance doesn\'t?

So I am to blame for disputing sources or points of view I disagree with and posting them?  For this I am labeled by you as lacking credibilty...  You only seem to attack my credibility when you have nothing credible yourself to say.  

Originally posted by Black Samurai
Everything you say sounds like Republican talking points because 9/10 they ARE Republican talking points. When you stop posting the exact same information and arguments as your favorite pundits then I\'ll believe you are not just spouting off talking points.

Let me get this straight in order for you to believe I am not just rehashing "talking points" I will have to oppose the views and policies of the political party I belong to?  It couldn\'t be that I share these same views could it?  That couldn\'t possibly be the reason I am conservative as opposed to being a flaming liberal?

Originally posted by Black Samurai
Tell me. How exactly is bringing in a patsy to lob Bush easy questions an attempt to spread positive news? And what was it about the inaccurate Medicaid information they presented in those news pieces that we NEEDED to hear?

Inaccurate information according to who?  The liberals?  I find it amusing that you and other libs blame Bush for something that the news stations should have caught themselves - they were unmarked tapes after all were they not?  Who is at fault for airing the information?

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Ohhh Noooos!  One illegitmate reporter out of how many?  Like this guy was the only source of news coming out of the White House!?!?  This the problem with liberals they think most Americans are stupid and have to be told by media what is factual and non factual.  God forbid they make up their own minds.  You either know the facts or you don\'t.

Most Americans ARE stupid. If you think they aren\'t then you just might be in that group. Americans generally take the information presented to them by their government and news media as fact. When the information presented to them has been distorted, filtered, distorted, and filtered again the general public tends to have a distorted and filtered view of the facts.

ONE illegitimate reporter in the White House press corps is TOO MANY. It doesn\'t matter if there were 1000 other legitimate reporters there. It is the idea that the administration is actually went out of its way to put an illegitimate reporter there in the first place that should have everyone up in arms.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Also when did it become a crime to report administration policies in a favorable light?  What if he was paid to report them in a negative light by someone like George Soros?  Can\'t happen?  Ask Tom Delay about it.

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/032305/soros.html

Do you not see the difference between some random douche paying someone to report a certain way and the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT doing the same?

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Inaccurate information according to who?  The liberals?  I find it amusing that you and other libs blame Bush for something that the news stations should have caught themselves - they were unmarked tapes after all were they not?  Who is at fault for airing the information?

The tapes were marked and delivered by government officals. Some stations reported that they were done by the government while most did not. The reports talked about how much better the administrations pharmaceutical drug policy was and how much money seniors would save when all of the facts showed an entirely different picture. The news stations are partially at fault for not saying they were done by government officials but that doesn\'t take the administration off the hook for distorting the information as presented.

Originally posted by Black Samurai

Do you not see the difference between some random douche paying someone to report a certain way and the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT doing the same?

This is such a non story and I am only going to respond to the above.  Could this be why it is no longer a front page story?  Maybe you are too dense to realize it.

Nope - there is no difference.  It all ends up being reported and presented the same way.

First of all I\'d like to thank Gigashadow for commandeering yet another thread, this time to (throughly) define for us what a "moonbat" is and for his response to everything but the topic at hand.

I\'m beginning to see his strategy:
Read topic>pick out any semblance of resistance to the Bush administration>label it "liberal" and/or "democrat">attack being liberal and/or democrat.

Giga, you have offered us many things thus far, except direct answers to questions posed by myself and others earlier. If you care to, answer the following. Bonus points if you don\'t use the afformentioned choice words of yours.

1) Is the development and unaffiliated deployment of the Bush administration\'s fake news reports (scripted responses, staged reactions) wrong? Is right to have our government, or any government, lie to its people in this manner?

2) Is the Bush administration spending $200 million during the first term a worthy amount to be spending on the propagation of their policies?

3) Are these fake news reports damaging to American journalism?

[Jumpman]

Someone fix Giga\'s lollerskates and call him a roflcoppter out of here!

Originally posted by Ghettomath
First of all I\'d like to thank Gigashadow for commandeering yet another thread, this time to (throughly) define for us what a "moonbat" is and for his response to everything but the topic at hand.

I\'m beginning to see his strategy:
Read topic>pick out any semblance of resistance to the Bush administration>label it "liberal" and/or "democrat">attack being liberal and/or democrat.

Giga, you have offered us many things thus far, except direct answers to questions posed by myself and others earlier. If you care to, answer the following. Bonus points if you don\'t use the afformentioned choice words of yours.

1) Is the development and unaffiliated deployment of the Bush administration\'s fake news reports (scripted responses, staged reactions) wrong? Is right to have our government, or any government, lie to its people in this manner?

2) Is the Bush administration spending $200 million during the first term a worthy amount to be spending on the propagation of their policies?

3) Are these fake news reports damaging to American journalism?

Go back and read again.  I have responded to these in my conversation with Coredweller.  It seems you and the other dingbat here Mystiq don\'t read previous posts.  I am not going to waste my time reanswering questions in depth I have clearly answered.  

Did you miss the whole George Soros article about what he is doing to Tom DeLay?  Or did you just choose to ignore it?  

Here let me make this easy for you since you can\'t seem to read:

1.  No, don\'t care

2.  Yes - don\'t care

3.  No - don\'t care

[SirMystiq]

I seriously doubt that Bush had a clue about what the war in Iraq was going to cause. Please, democracy in the middle east is still far off. Those people are living in a lifestyle from the past and it\'s going to take alot more than the toppling of a government to change it.

Back on topic. This administration has broken so deep into the political spectrum that the word democracy is losing its meaning fast. Giga, what was decided on November 4th was that Americans are willing to take a piss on the face as long as it is related to Christianity.


Gas prices are going up. Nobody can stop OPEC and this year is predicted to be the peak of production, after this production goes down which means rise in prices...again. The oligopoly that is OPEC has the world in its grasp.

It is sad that the only way for a President to try to gain support or at the very least, gain some credibility, has to resort to fooling Americans by posting up propaganda that make themselves sound like credible news story. The GOP pounced on Dan Rather an his accusations, they destroyed the guy. Now they are responsible for doing it, and doing it in a more discrete, criminal and vicious way.


For Spring Break I went to London. Thanks to the financial crisis that this country is going thru, a freaking pound is TWO DOLLARS. The dollar is a piece of useless paper in Europe now. You\'re right Giga, we shouldn\'t be like Europe. We\'ll end up peaceful, respected and with twice as much money.