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It\'s true, Apple is going Intel
« on: June 06, 2005, 10:16:25 AM »
Keynote just finished, the rumors have been rampant for the last week but I didn\'t really pay any attention to it, but now that it\'s been confirmed I still can\'t quite belive it, guess I\'ll have to let it sink in.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2005, 10:28:22 AM »
WHAT?EH?

LINK! POST LINK!

WTF?

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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2005, 10:33:10 AM »
it\'s getting put up on the news sites now.

http://news.com.com/Apple+throws+the+switch%2C+aligns+with+Intel/2100-7341_3-5733756.html?tag=nefd.top

Apple\'s goint Intel and MS puts PPC in the Xbox.......armageddon draws near
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2005, 10:40:43 AM »
Apple...why have you forsaken me?!?!

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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2005, 11:04:36 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2005, 11:32:40 AM »
If anything I would have rather seen Apple go AMD, but I guess they can\'t touch the deal Intel offered them.

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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2005, 11:34:17 AM »
cliff notes plz
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2005, 11:50:37 AM »
Apple hasn\'t been satisfied with IBM\'s work on the G5, they were promised 3Ghz two years ago and they haven\'t delivered.

It\'s been semi known that for the last few years they have had versions of OS X compiled and ready for x86 as a backup plan.

Seems Apple and IBM had a falling out, knowing Steve he probably threatened the IBM  guys and they called his bluff, so he just gave them the finger and went Intel.

This is the third big transistion for Apple and the 2nd ISA transition but they plan to have gone fully Intel in 2007.

For many maclots this is a kick in the balls, they\'ve been touting ppc superiority for a while and now must sample the bitter taste of Intels penis in their mouths.

This will mean better pricing and huge updates to the powerbooks.

Some people think this means they can install OS X on their beige boxes, this is not the case they will still be a hardware company and won\'t be using a traditional BIOS in the machines, OS X will only run on Apple machines (though no doubt some hackers out there will be able to get it running on a traditional system)

and on the Intel side, it would seem they approached Apple first. A few months back Intel\'s ceo made a some remarks on how much he wanted Intel cpu\'s in macs one way or the other so he could run his machines without spyware and whatnot.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2005, 11:59:36 AM »
This is still really freaking stupid.

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2005, 12:32:03 PM »
Kinda wish they went with AMD to make the compeition more fierce, but IBM has ben lagging.  Apple is getting wet over all the different types of chips Intel has been making, and then there\'s the dual core capabilities of the latest chips.

Poor IBM, first they sell their laptop division to some company in Asia and then Apple drops them.  They need to get on the ball.

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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2005, 01:26:19 PM »
well word has it Intel approached apple first and unlike AMD they have much higher yields and they\'ll make the chipsets for them aswell. But I agree would\'ve liked AMD
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2005, 01:32:24 PM »
Here\'s duh speech:

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Apple CEO Steve Jobs took the keynote stage of this week’s Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) in San Francisco, Calif., wearing his customary black turtleneck. While Jobs started out by offering some encouraging details about Apple’s growth and unveiled the name of Apple’s next Mac OS X release, he also dropped one of the biggest bombshells in Apple history: Apple plans a phased transition to an Intel-based processor architecture which it hopes to complete by 2007.

“Good morning, thank you,” Jobs said to the crowd, who greeted him with warm applause. “Today is an important day. We’ve got some great stuff for you today.”

Big numbers

Jobs said that WWDC 2005 is the largest gathering in the last decade of Apple developers — more than 3,800 attendees are present this week from 45 countries, including dozens from China and India. More than 500 Apple engineers have trekked into San Francisco this week to offer on-site help to those developers as well.

“The number that blows my mind, we’ve got more than half a million Developer Connection members. The development community at Apple is thriving,” said Jobs.

Likewise, Apple’s retail stores are pulling in impressive numbers, according to Jobs. With 109 stores open around the world, Apple is seeing more than 1 million visitors per week, he said, and has sold more than half a billion dollars in third-party products this past year.

“The iPod has really entered popular culture in America. You know that when you get on the cover of the New Yorker,” Jobs said. By the end of its last fiscal quarter, Apple had sold a cumulative total of 16 million iPods, he added, and had 76 percent market share. “So we’re thrilled with that.”

What’s more, Jobs said that Apple’s iTunes Music Store has sold and had downloaded more than 430 million songs. “We’ve had a lot of competition, and what’s happened? Our market share’s gone up,” said Jobs. “It’s now 82 percent in the month of May.”

Podcasting comes to iTunes

Jobs turned his focus to podcasting, which he described as “TiVo for radio” and “Wayne’s World for radio.” “We see it as the hottest thing going in radio.” And as he had previously mentioned, Jobs said that iTunes will now support podcasting directly.

“We’re building a podcast directory in the iTunes Music Store,” he explained. Jobs demonstrated by navigating the itunes Music Store, clicking on a podcast link, which then displayed a directory of podcasts. Clicking on famed podcaster Adam Curry’s name presented a hierarchical list of podcasts, and Jobs then subscribed and listened to a short segment.

“We think it’s going to basically take podcasting mainstream, to where anyone can do it,” said Jobs, who also noted that Apple would get into the game with its own “New Music Tuesdays” podcast.

Mac grows in leaps and bounds

Jobs also lauded the Mac’s recent performance, compared to the rest of the computer industry. Apple has seen year over year growth in the Mac business unit for the past five quarters. “So last quarter, the Mac grew at over three times the rate of the rest of the industry,” he told attendees.

Tiger has been a huge success, Jobs added. “I’m really pleased to report to you, that this week we will deliver, copies sold through retail, maintenance, and shipped on Macs, the two millionth copy of Tiger,” said Jobs. “Remember, it’s been about six weeks [since Tiger’s release]. This is the most successful OS release ever.”

Of the 2 million users of Tiger already represent 16 percent of Apple’s entire Mac OS X user base. Forty-nine percent of Mac OS X users are running Panther, and 25 percent of Mac OS X users are still running Jaguar. The remainder are “laggards on early versions of Mac OS X,” according to Jobs.

Leopard

Apple’s next major operating system release will be called Leopard, said Jobs. “We’re not going to be focusing on it today, but we intend to release Leopard at the end of 2006 or early 2007, right about the time Microsoft expects to release Longhorn,” he said.

The rumors are true: Intel will be inside

Jobs talked about the major transitions in the Mac’s life — starting from the Mac’s Motorola 68000-series processor to PowerPC. “The PowerPC set Apple up fro the next decade. It was a good move,” he said.

“The second transition was even better — the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X that we just did,” he continued. “This was a brain transplant. And even though these operating systems (9 and x) vary only by one in name, they are very different, and this has set Apple up for the next 20 years.”

As the Intel logo lowered on the stage screen, Jobs said, “We are going to make the transition from PowerPC to Intel processors, and we are going to do it for you now, and for our customers next year. Why? Because we want to be making the best computer for our customers looking forward.”

“I stood up here two years ago and promised you 3.0 GHz. I think a lot of you would like a G5 in your PowerBook, and we haven’t been able to deliver that to you,” said Jobs. “But as we look ahead, and though we’ve got great products now, and great PowerPC products still to come, we can envision great products we want to build, and we can’t envision how to build them with the current PowerPC roadmap,” said Jobs.

Intel processors provide more performance per watt than PowerPC processors do, said Jobs. “When we look at future roadmaps, mid-2006 and beyond, we see PoweRPC gives us 15 units of performance per watt, but Intel’s roadmap gives us 70. And so this tells us what we have to do,” he explained.

Transition to Intel by 2007, and yes, Marklar exists

“Starting next year, we will introduce Macs with Intel processors,” said Jobs. “This time next year, we plan to ship Macs with Intel processors. In two years, our plan is that the transition will be mostly complete, and will be complete by end of 2007.”

Jobs then confirmed a long-held belief that Apple was working on an Intel-compatible version of Mac OS X that some have termed “Marklar.”

Mac OS X has been “leading a secret double life” for the past five years, said Jobs. “So today for the first time, I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel. This has been going on for the last five years.”

Jobs demonstrated a version of Mac OS X running on a 3.6GHz Pentium 4-processor equipped system, running a build of Mac OS X v10.4.1. He showed Dashboard widgets, Spotlight, iCal, Apple’s Mail, Safari and iPhoto all working on the Intel-based system. The system itself was not revealed.

Apple needs developers’ help to complete the transition

“We are very far along on this, but we’re not done,” said Jobs. “Which is why we’re going to put it in your hands very soon, so you can help us finish it.”

Widget, scripts and Java applications should work in the new environment without any conversion, said Jobs. Cocoa-based applications will require “a few minor tweaks and a recompile.” Carbon-based applications require “a few more tweaks,” recompiling, and “they’ll work,” said Jobs. And projects built using Metrowerks’ CodeWarrior need to be moved to Xcode.

The future of Mac OS X development is moving to Xcode, said Jobs. Of Apple’s top 100 developers, more than half — 56 percent — are already using Xcode, and 25 percent are in the process of switching to Xcode. “Less than 20 percent are not on board yet. Now is a good time to get on board,” said Jobs.

A new build of Xcode, version 2.1, is being released today. This new release enables developers to specify PowerPC or Intel architectures. “… and you’re going to build what’s called a universal binary. It contains all the bits for both architectures,” said Jobs. “One binary, works on both PowerPC and Intel architecture. So you can ship one CD that supports both processors.”
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2005, 01:33:42 PM »
And the rest of it:

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“This is nothing like Carbonizing”

Many developers reading this news may be thinking that they’ll have to go through the same woes they had to in order to get their Mac OS 9 applications “Carbonized” to run on Mac OS X. Jobs assured the crowd that this isn’t like that at all. To demonstrated, he brought on stage Theo Gray, cofounder of Mathematica maker Wolfram Research.

Gray said that Mathematica is encumbered by “ancient code that hasn’t been changed since the Reagan administration,” but despite that, it only took about two hours to get Mathematica’s Mac OS X code running on an Intel-based Mac. “We’re talking about twenty lines of source code out of millions, from a dead cold start. This is nothing like Carbonizing. It’s pretty good when the biggest problem from your port is to figure out what to do with the rest of your weekend.”

Rosetta keeps old apps running

Jobs also discussed a new technology called Rosetta, that he described as “a dynamic binary translator.” It runs existing PowerPC applications on the Intel platform, he said. Jobs described Rosetta as “lightweight,” and said “it’s nothing like Classic.”

Jobs demonstrated Rosetta by running Microsoft Office applications, Quicken and Photoshop CS 2 — all unmodified PowerPC-binary versions, unlike Mathematica — on the new Intel-based hardware.

“So that is Rosetta, Jobs concluded. “These PowerPC apps just run. And that’s what we’re going to have for our users, because every app isn’t going to be there for our users on day one.”

Big names pledge support

Microsoft’s Roz Ho and Adobe’s Bruce Chizen both took the stage to reaffirm their commitment to the Macintosh platform. Ho said that Microsoft has been “working with Apple for some time” to create future versions of Office using Apple’s Xcode tools, and will create universal binaries accordingly.” Chizen called Apple’s decision to move to Intel “great,” and gently chided Steve Jobs: “What took you so long?”

Intel president and CEO Paul Otellini was next on stage, greeted by Jobs with a warm embrace. “I expect there’s a whole lot of people who’d never expect you’d see that logo on this stage,” said Otellini, who launched into a story tracing the history of his company, founded in 1968, and Apple, founded in 1976 — two high-tech firms that have blossomed over the decades in Silicon Valley.

Despite occasional jabs over the years, including Apple’s infamous ad where they set fire to the Intel “Bunny Man,” (an ad that was shown), Intel doesn’t hold a grudge, said Otellini.

“I think this brings the skills and the opportunities and the engineering excellence of two great companies,” said Otellini. “They combine our strengths and play on our respective strengths. Apple has legendary capability at hardware and software design and innovation.”

“Our strengths are different but entirely complementary. We’re about architecture, about scale and scope, and what we are most about is the relentless advancement of Moore’s Law to give you better and better machines every year. So after thirty years, Apple and Intel are together at last. I don’t think of this as a fairy tale with a happy ending. I think of this as an exciting and important story with a very happy beginning,” concluded Otellini, who then left the stage.

Last words from Jobs

“Apple is strong. And the Mac is strong. So this is a great time to start building for the future, to make us even stronger. We know transitions: We’ve been through two of them, and they’ve kept our platform at the forefront,” said Jobs.

“And we’ll continue to be bold and begin a third transition today … to make the best machines we know how to make in the future. This transition isn’t going to happen overnight. We’re making awesome machines now, we’ve got a lot of great PowerPC products in the pipeline, but we are also working to design some Intel-based Macs, and when we’re here next year we will have them in the marketplace. And there will be a transition in the next two years. We’re getting ready.

“It’s time for you to get ready too,” said Jobs, refocusing his emphasis to the developers who hold the future of Macintosh third-party software support in their hands. “What do you have to do? Create universal binaries of your apps.”

When Jobs greets developers at next year’s show, he said, he suspects many of them will already be shipping universal binaries, and Apple will keep pushing the frontiers and offering more information about Leopard.

“Because more than the processor, more than the hardware, the soul of the Mac is its operating system,” said Jobs. “And we’re not standing still.”

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/06/06/liveupdate/index.php?lsrc=mwrss
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2005, 03:38:29 PM »
Well, I have nothing against Apple but the look on Apple fanboys\' faces might be worth gold with this news :D
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2005, 05:06:59 AM »
amd, meet closet

but why would apple fanboys be upset?
intel != microsoft
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