ps3 $399

yes but...isnt gaming derived from a japanese market anyhow?

and last i checked vcd compabilities are in just about any dvd player stateside and incorporated into most all of the burner software, while us doesnt have a black market of vcd movies everywhere it does seem to support vcd in some shape or form

hell i even have vcd movies on dvds that i play thru dvd player, altho then again i am not avg consumer, most other gamers i know, know how/or about vcd

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And VCD is popular in Asia, doesn\'t mean crap about the American market.

Your point was that beta was a failure when that is simply not true.

[Titan]

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
My first DVD player was a DVD-ROM in my PC, around year 2000.

Ditto. Got DVD-ROM on my computer in 2000. Then got a DVD player soon after    and then my PS2 after that (Christmas of launch). I didn\'t start using my PS2 as a DVD player for a long time since it was plugged into a VCR and it has problems running that way. Since then, we have gotten nothing but DVD players and DVD movies.

I dont know the point of arguing about the blu ray since what people should care about is how well PS3 would do

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Unicron!
I dont know the point of arguing about the blu ray since what people should care about is how well PS3 would do

Because Sony is also banking on Blu-Ray doing well, due to the PS3.
How hard is that to understand?>

Next Gen entertainment needs a large storage format

PS3 and blue ray offer that

Normal DVD disks are quickly becoming out of date with the coming of High Definition

This is like Microsoft Xbox 1.0 making xbox live Broadband only,  it is the future

PS3 is getting blue ray because it is the future.  I heard of PS2 games running out of room on DVD.  How in the world are they going to fit HD games on Xbox 1.5\'s DVD format?

That is one of the many reasons why Blue Ray is going to be in the PS3 and is worth the extra $50-100.

Unless you want a 2 disc fighting game.

To see ending movie,  insert disc 2

So most here got their first DVD player roughly 3 years after release.  This means if history repeats itself, BR/HD-DVD won\'t catch on until 2009.

You guys honestly don\'t see yourself owning an HDTV by that time?

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Because Sony is also banking on Blu-Ray doing well, due to the PS3.
How hard is that to understand?>

Exactly the point.

Gamers (that means YOU) care about the console doing well and dont care much about Blu Ray except on how it will affect gaming.Sony is the one that should worry about it doing well as a generally used format(like ahm....movies).Not gamers.

Yet most posts are discussing how well will the Blu Ray do as a stand alone format....in console discussions.

This is like Microsoft Xbox 1.0 making xbox live Broadband only, it is the future

You just never quit "1.0" So for now on to avoid hypocrisy you will call the Sony console "PS 3.0"

That is one of the many reasons why Blue Ray is going to be in the PS3 and is worth the extra $50-100.

Tell that to the consumer(who calls the console by it\'s proper name, not 1.5 fanboy talk), You see the mainstream aren’t hardcore Trolls like you, that mortgage there parents house just to own the latest Sony machine. Blu-ray is all fine and Dandy but your statement indicating that the significant extra Cost of the unit is worth/justified, falls short considering the little impact  Blu-ray storage will have on the mainstream consumer. They wont even now the difference when gaming from it,  to the  XBOX beta2 version 1.5.0.1

To see ending movie, insert disc 2

Is that you Ken Kutaragi?

I heard of PS2 games running out of room on DVD. How in the world are they going to fit HD games on Xbox 1.5\'s DVD format?

"1.5", Man you just love trolling. Oh by the way Current XBOX and PS3 games are still  90% using DVD-5 media. The only argument For more storage would be for HD FMV which the Japanese developers like using in there games. You make it seem as if it\'s  a curse for a game to use more than 1 Disc, Funny how I never heard the gaming community or you bitch about it before. Nothing wrong with Sony having a higher storage capacity, which is better. Yet I hardly see a major advantage here. While there is certainly pros and cons to both sides, I doubt any of it matters to you.

 I love how you  forgot to mention that  the 2x BLu-ray has a much slower access time then current DVD drives. blu ray has a native transfer speed of 54Mbps (6.75MB) while DVD has a native speed of 11.1Mbs (1.3875MB) thus it appears at first glace that the bluray drive in the Ps3 will have a transfer rate of almost 5x that of the x360, but wait, thats not true. the x360 drive runs at 12x effectively bumping that to 133.2Mb or 16.65MB nearly 3x faster than that of first gen bluray at 6.75MB. So longer loading/read-access times.

Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Only for FMV
 

Same thing was said years ago about DVD.But how wrong people were about it.
Some games really need that extra storage and I am not talking about FMVs
MGS2 and 3, GT4, GTA San Andreas to name a few are examples that needed that extra storage DVD offers.

Developers want as much storage as possible.Even Tecmo wants HD for XBOX360

Developers want as much storage as possible.Even Tecmo wants HD for XBOX360

No disagreement there, as for temco there space issue was due to HD FMV, which Like I said eats space right up.

[Living-In-Clip]

No one can argue that MS should of went with another disc format. If nothing else, because in the long run FMV will eat up a lot of space and we all know how developers love usin\' the crap. I mean, look at almost any modern game and the developers spend more time developnig the CGI / FMV than working the actual gameplay out. It\'s disgusting.

Does that mean Blu-Ray is the answer to all? No. Would it be a good stand alone format for gaming? Sure. But why assume it will succeed as a movie format, when the movie industry itself does not know what format it truly wants to embrace? I\'m sorry, but it annoys me to NO END that Sony thinks they need to keep creating these formats, when the rest of the industry is not conforming. Everytime I see a new movie and a big logo that says "ALSO ON UMD", my stomach turns and I want to puke. The only way I will buy a PSP is if Sony gets Konami to make a 2D CastleVania, otherwise I have ZERO interest in Sony\'s handheld and their sub-format, as I like to call it.

/end off-topic rant

Unless you want a 2 disc fighting game.

To see ending movie, insert disc 2

Because we all know fighting games have a lot of FMV and epic endings. Honestly, if you want to make an example, at least pick a decent one.

Since M$ is so adamant to launch there console first, obviously they are tied to using DVD media Instead of HD-DVD. No other choice. Some have suggested that Toshiba might be able to sneak one in the Xbox360 before mass production takes place; personally I think it\'s a 1 in a hundred chance, very very very unlikely.
Overall BLu-Ray has better storage capacity, it\'s more future proof and it will play select movies. Does that mean XBOX360 is in trouble, highly doubt it. DVD-9 media will satisfy most of the developers this gen.

The only way I will buy a PSP is if Sony gets Konami to make a 2D CastleVania

Teasing Us is not very nice!

[Paul2]

Something I like to points out here:

-About FMV, I think they can be done in real time that\'s consider CG quality because next generation console is powerful enough for that.  So no need to use the extra disc space to store Rendered FMV...when it can be done by hardware.

-High Def video can use about 9 Mbits if its uses MPEG-4 or WMV-9.  So that mean it can store about 60 minutes in DVD-single layer or 120 minutes dual layer.  As long as it uses the better codec (MPEg-4 or WMV-9), i think space isn\'t too much to concern about.  But that require aggressive compression, and MPEG-4 and WMV-9 can deliver that...

So, if they consider render video in either codec by using disc\'s space, Blu Ray may have the upper hand that it can uses lesser compression than DVD-9 and can store other things alongside too like lossless high def audio quality.  Not to mention 1080p @ 60fps video is possible on Blu Ray thanks to its storage.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Since M$ is so adamant to launch there console first, obviously they are tied to using DVD media Instead of HD-DVD. No other choice. Some have suggested that Toshiba might be able to sneak one in the Xbox360 before mass production takes place; personally I think it\'s a 1 in a hundred chance, very very very unlikely.
Overall BLu-Ray has better storage capacity, it\'s more future proof and it will play select movies. Does that mean XBOX360 is in trouble, highly doubt it. DVD-9 media will satisfy most of the developers this gen.



Teasing Us is not very nice!

Isn\'t Toshiba the one\'s saying that any HD-DVD will be HDMI only?
I will dig up the article.