XBOX360 A Dreamcast in Disguise

Originally posted by Knotter8
Well, you have to admit that MS, like Sega back then, tries to get the console to market way earlier than Sony\'s console to \'steal\' any possible future PS3 momentum.

I think you\'re forgetting, or neglecting to mention, that Sega was trying to recover from the Sega Saturn fiasco.  The console went belly up in the States in \'98, but even earlier than that it was easy to see where it was headed due to a serious lack of support from developers, a dwindling fanbase, and the growing popularity of the Playstation brand.

Sega\'s situation was that they couldn\'t simply disappear from the market for two years and release along side the Playstation 2.  How do you think that looks to developers and consumers?  Sega tried to rally support in their corner as quickly as possible and try at some recovery from all the losses they had incurred.

Microsoft is simply in a different situation.  They have made the decision to get off the growing success of the Xbox and come to the next generation market before the competition in order to gain market share.

Oh, and stop saying that it\'s coming "very early" or "way earlier" than the competition.  Do you understand that 4-5 months is not a huge amount of time?  120-150 days between the Xbox 360 and PS3 launches.  Dreamcast arrived a full 18 months before Playstation 2.  Roughly 540 days apart.  That\'s a difference of nearly 4 times between launch schedules.  

A vastly different time schedule, and for different reasons.  No comparison.

EDIT: Knotter, if you are still under the impression that Sega and Microsoft have anything in common, or have any doubts as to what I\'ve said then here is some clarification for you.

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36377

It\'s a link to the thread I posted some time ago, with a link to the complete history of Sega from their humble beginnings to the fall-out of the Saturn.  There is also a link for a history of the Dreamcast; it\'s not quite as detailed as the Sega History article but you\'ll find plenty of information on Sega\'s last console within its pages.

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If you really want to nitpick, Sega started having issues around the 32x, then a botched Saturn launch only made things worse. Combine that with a system that was hard to develop for and you have "failure" written all over it. On the other hand, the Saturn was midly succcesful in Japan and despite what people think, it had a bunch of AAA titles late in its life.  

The Dreamcast was just solid from start to finish.

R.I.P Sega\'s Hardware division.

If the XBox360 sells like hotcakes right out of the gate I really think they could hold off the PS3 for the entire generation. The only problem with that is that a lot of gamers will wait to see what Sony is coming with. Plus I know a lot of the employees at game retailers tend to let their personal biases affect what they sell. I can\'t tell you how many potential Dreamcast sales that my coworkers sent away because they said that it wasn\'t worth it with the PS2 on the horizon.

If the DC got even HALF the support it deserved based on the quality of the games, this generation would have been A LOT different.

Originally posted by Black Samurai
If the XBox360 sells like hotcakes right out of the gate I really think they could hold off the PS3 for the entire generation. The only problem with that is that a lot of gamers will wait to see what Sony is coming with. Plus I know a lot of the employees at game retailers tend to let their personal biases affect what they sell. I can\'t tell you how many potential Dreamcast sales that my coworkers sent away because they said that it wasn\'t worth it with the PS2 on the horizon.

Xbox 360 sales in Japan will cancel out any launch success it has in America,  thus making the path for the PS3 to outsell it very easy.

Microsoft needs to improve their Japanese market if they ever want to outsell the PS3

For comparison\'s sake:





Can you tell them apart!?!?!!!111

Now, this beast, this was a rip-off of the Dreamcast:



The color-coded, Dreamcast-esque buttons of the 360 are left-overs from this, earlier rip-off.

-Dan

it\'s always the same with ppl ; they think way too literally.

The comparison isn\'t a direct true comparison. It\'s about seeing similarities on various \'levels\' between both consumer products.

Marketing, style sheets, consumer demographics, product philosophy and affiliation etc. Companies really have boatloads of specialists who all contribute to the final consumer product. Yes, indeed it encompasses a whole lot of expertise.

Amongst parameters like that, there are in various ranges of extent, lines to be drawn between DC and Xbox360. In most cases, these \'similarities\' are subtle and indirect.

Since most ppl think too literally they\'ll deny any \'comparison\' anyway and kill off any open discussion in the process.

Xbox 360 sales in Japan will cancel out any launch success it has in America, thus making the path for the PS3 to outsell it very easy.

Quit sniffing gasoline, what does Xbox360\'s fate in Japan have to do with the American market? If your statement rang true then XBOX would have been finished long ago in the US, but here it is alive and strong. I understand you want the 360 fail, but I hope you realize that competition is what makes this market stronger.

I asked you last time to be real and objective, and to actually think out your statements before posting them. Again you failed to do so. Please quit the whole 360 smear campaign it\'s getting old. I mean if your going to attempt to take down the 360 at least present your view in a convincing manner, rather than make fibulas claims, about how the Japanese’s market determines a consoles success, which in reality is far from the truth as I proved earlier with hard practical evidence.

The comparison isn\'t a direct true comparison. It\'s about seeing similarities on various \'levels\' between both consumer products.

Marketing, style sheets, consumer demographics, product philosophy and affiliation etc. Companies really have boatloads of specialists who all contribute to the final consumer product. Yes, indeed it encompasses a whole lot of expertise.

Amongst parameters like that, there are in various ranges of extent, lines to be drawn between DC and Xbox360. In most cases, these \'similarities\' are subtle and indirect.

Give this man a Prize

:wav2:

Actually, the original intention was to make a comparison as shallow as the one I posted:

You decide for yourself, foucs on the packaging and controller.

That was the first post, k thanks.

-Dan

If that\'s how you precieved, then so be it,  k thanks.



-Pedro

Originally posted by Knotter8
Since most ppl think too literally they\'ll deny any \'comparison\' anyway and kill off any open discussion in the process.

What discussion is to be had?

Microsoft said they chose the light color to create a softer image.  Same with the new font.  They\'re going for a bigger market than their current base, and they have concluded from their customer surveys/tests that the off-white color appeals to that wider demographic they\'re aiming for.

I think I managed to explore the entirety of any discussion to be had on the similarities between Dreamcast and Xbox 360.  If you can manage anything else, please, don\'t hold back on my account.

Originally posted by Rikku
I know you are joking, but you\'ve displayed a bit of ignorance as well.  The Controller S is not the original Xbox controller.

The original controller was nothing like the DC\'s.  It was huge, black, with two analog sticks compared to the DC\'s one, eight face buttons compared to the DC\'s four, and not shaped like a hockey puck.  The controller S came along with the best of the original but made smaller, and the buttons moved arond to be a little more accessible.

Any comparison is nothing more than a desperate attempt to further the idea that the Xbox 360 and Dreamcast have anything in common and to suggest that Microsoft could befall the same fate.  It\'s a superficial comparison, and made on false pretenses.  Anyone who genuinely thinks that there are grounds for comparison needs to read up on Sega\'s history in all its entirety, and then simply read up on Microsoft\'s current position.  This will, in effect, stop you from displaying any more ignorance regarding the subject.

I already knew that but thanks for reminding me anyways

Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Quit sniffing gasoline, what does Xbox360\'s fate in Japan have to do with the American market? If your statement rang true then XBOX would have been finished long ago in the US, but here it is alive and strong. I understand you want the 360 fail, but I hope you realize that competition is what makes this market stronger.

I asked you last time to be real and objective, and to actually think out your statements before posting them. Again you failed to do so. Please quit the whole 360 smear campaign it\'s getting old. I mean if your going to attempt to take down the 360 at least present your view in a convincing manner, rather than make fibulas claims, about how the Japanese’s market determines a consoles success, which in reality is far from the truth as I proved earlier with hard practical evidence.

Shocking

Thats a nice word to describe your misinformed reply

How in the world do you get the idea he was only talking about America?

 Black Samurai said the Xbox 360 may sell more units than the PS3 this generation.  And some how you narrowed this down to the American market.  Unreal.  Are you human?


My definition of success used in my post was the amount of consoles the Xbox will sell.  Not your made up definition.

My post clearly had 0 anti-xbox claims.  Only simple facts that even you cannot deny.

Don\'t you think it\'s odd that you,  Rikku and Quddus are the only ones running to the defense of the xbox everytime theres a hint of anti-MS/XBOX?  Fanboyism

I don\'t think the xbox will ever fail.  As long as MS backs it,  it will be around.  Same with Sony.  It\'s life or death only with smaller companys,  like Nintendo or Sega


Please,  deflate your head

Originally posted by Rikku
The original controller was nothing like the DC\'s.  It was huge, black, with two analog sticks compared to the DC\'s one, eight face buttons compared to the DC\'s four, and not shaped like a hockey puck.

Really? I seriously think they look practically identical. Aside from the color and the odd button, they are just so similar.

Especially if you stick a memory card in the Xbox pad...

Opinions.

-Dan

heh I remember when MS revealed their XBOX controller and people were like "its a dc-ps-gc ripoff".They even made a flash movie of it.It showed a DC controller on which they stuck parts of the PS and GC controller and then they turned it black.