Bethesda (Oblivion 4) responds to HDD news

lol, rikku changed his post

I didn\'t change my post.

Now you\'re just making stuff up.  Pathetic.

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I didn\'t notice any change in your post either.

Originally posted by mm
negative?

it\'s reality.

every dev for every xbox game is going to have to say "wait, we can\'t do that cause some jackass with the core version might not have a hard drive. do we put this content in still?  how behind  on schedule are we?"

there is NO advantage to be seen, microsoft is fucking up badly

mm exactly hit the damn nail on the head.

yeah because mm has worked on no less than 10 commercial titles. he was the producer for 6 of those titles, head technical architect for 3 and the project lead for 1. he knows exactly what he\'s talking about.

Does that make him or anyone any less qualified to point out the blatant obvious? :rolleyes:

try 20+ years experience as a gamer and i have what you guys might call "common sense"

if dev\'s can\'t rely on hard drives being there, they won\'t get heavily used.  i know, it\'s a hard concept to grasp.

I like that version better. You were trying to say that not having the HDD was a doomsday thing that would break the platform. It certainly wouldn\'t be as dramatic as developers witholding content because there isn\'t enough memory on the system.

but they will be crippling innovation that is expected on next gen gaming.

lets say they make a game where textures and levels seamlessly and dynamically  change over the course from day to night.  would be great, right?  well, thats alot of work when a large portion of machines won\'t have the storage space for all that.

granted, the hard drive wasnt very utilized on the xbox, mainly because it was generally  a new concept.

again, this is a marketing gimmick by microsoft to force people into buying the 499$ SKU.  they take the 399$ SKU, and throw in 10$ in production cost of accessories and "OMGZ! what a great deal!!1  i\'m saving teh moneys!!!1"

people are being scammed and don\'t even realize it, sad

dude that example is totally stupid. there\'s this thing we call dynamic lighting and we don\'t need to swap textures to make them look right in day/night conditions. if you\'re suggesting a hard drive should be used in that manner, then you\'re taking quite a number of steps BACKWARDS.

I think you\'re taking his example out of context really. The point is, harddrive would have gave the xbox 360 quite an advantage - which ultimately just flew out the window by offering 2 skus. There\'s no need to find any examples.

I think you\'re taking his example out of context really.

take something i say and twist it to suit his needs?  why thats unpossible!

Originally posted by mm
but they will be crippling innovation that is expected on next gen gaming.

lets say they make a game where textures and levels seamlessly and dynamically  change over the course from day to night.  would be great, right?  well, thats alot of work when a large portion of machines won\'t have the storage space for all that.

granted, the hard drive wasnt very utilized on the xbox, mainly because it was generally  a new concept.

again, this is a marketing gimmick by microsoft to force people into buying the 499$ SKU.  they take the 399$ SKU, and throw in 10$ in production cost of accessories and "OMGZ! what a great deal!!1  i\'m saving teh moneys!!!1"

people are being scammed and don\'t even realize it, sad

The good developers will be able to achieve that and more with what they have.  There is cacheing on the Xbox 360, and there\'s tons of ram.

There really isn\'t a drawback considering that Microsoft\'s competitors aren\'t offering internal HD\'s.  So, yeah, what\'s the problem?

There are two sku\'s - $299 and $399.  Anything different is set by the retail chain.  Don\'t exaggerate, thanks.  

The premium package is a deal considering that the individual components all together would cost you more than the bundle.

considering they probably cost microsoft 10$ or less to include

(again, you have failed as a consumer)

yeah, mm knows the costs because he was the head of the factory that was charged with manufacturing the hard drives for the original Xbox. listen to him.