Industry Reaction To M$ 360 Price scheme

Originally posted by mm
rikku, if you didnt pay attention to E3, that is your ignorance and blind faith in what you heard today

microsoft promised backwards compatibility, then it was only certain titles, then it was all titles, now it\'s only on the premium system
:rolleyes:

Quote and link, thanks.

EDIT:  The latest information is the most relevant.  I do remember J Allard at E3 saying that xbox 360 will be backwards compatible, but they were still trying to figure out exactly how it was going to be done, and what titles would be available, etc.

Can you tell me if J Allard shared that the HD would be needed?

here\'s a quote you might like

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Like clock work Orange, mm has no Legs to stand on

Originally posted by Knotter8
simple ; the xbox 1 specific emulation software must be installed on HD.

Becuase if I remember well some games may not be compatible with the emulation and the emulation will be adjusted to more games (I think you  ll be able to download the updates for it) as time passes.

Originally posted by Rikku
Where\'s the confusion?  Core = no backwards compatability.  Premium = Backwards compatability.  If you want backwards compatability you\'ll know which package to get.  Being able to play original xbox games won\'t cripple or split the Xbox 360 games audience.

Microsoft recently said that the HD is not needed to use Xbox Live.  But, if you plan on downloading demos/previews, arcade games, extra content, etc then you might want something bigger than a 64 MB memory card.  

I argued this before, the HD is an accessory.  It\'s a big memory card where you can keep more than just a few game saves.  Keep music, downloaded content, downloaded demos, Live arcade games,  customized content, game saves, et al all in one place.  If you want to play with the above, buy the Premium System.  If you just want the standard game, buy the core system.

I don\'t see how any of this has hurt Microsoft.

I know I will want an XBOX360 that plays XBOX games but wouldnt care much about the downloads.So......will I have to invest on the expensive version to get backwards compatibility and pay for a HD that wont be of any use?Or pay less so I wont have to pay for the HD by sacrificing backwards compatibility at the same time?

I know I wouldnt care about XBOX Live enough to purchase the Premium package but the new consumers that may not choose to have the HD might not try to see the full potential of XBOX Live and what it really offers.And I remember that the HD helped XBOX Live\'s support and evolved greater since people could do more than just play games online unlike Sony\'s online offer.Now some may not understand the difference

The new consumer is also the key here.And many new consumers dont know what they will get or lose if they buy or dont buy the premium package.Most chances are they will go fo rthe cheaper one.But the extra features available thanks to the HD were supposed to be something good that MS offered as standard that the PS2 never had.Now its not a standard.

The casual consumer wont think "ah PS3 will be sold $400 without a HD so I ll pay $400 for an XBOX360 which is a better offer compared to Sony\'s"

The casual consumer will think "ah whats this?They are selling me the HD separately now?I got the XBOX with the HD and all without paying more back then"

"Now(unlike then) we force you to pay more if you want it".Thats what some consumers may mistakenly see

[Jumpman]

who cares anymore

Oh well.Lets shut up and wait then

oh really, nvidia256

please lay some of your legendary wisdom on me so i can be enlightened

Originally posted by Unicron!
Becuase if I remember well some games may not be compatible with the emulation and the emulation will be adjusted to more games (I think you  ll be able to download the updates for it) as time passes.


 I know I will want an XBOX360 that plays XBOX games but wouldnt care much about the downloads.So......will I have to invest on the expensive version to get backwards compatibility and pay for a HD that wont be of any use?Or pay less so I wont have to pay for the HD by sacrificing backwards compatibility at the same time?

I know I wouldnt care about XBOX Live enough to purchase the Premium package but the new consumers that may not choose to have the HD might not try to see the full potential of XBOX Live and what it really offers.And I remember that the HD helped XBOX Live\'s support and evolved greater since people could do more than just play games online unlike Sony\'s online offer.Now some may not understand the difference

The new consumer is also the key here.And many new consumers dont know what they will get or lose if they buy or dont buy the premium package.Most chances are they will go fo rthe cheaper one.But the extra features available thanks to the HD were supposed to be something good that MS offered as standard that the PS2 never had.Now its not a standard.

The casual consumer wont think "ah PS3 will be sold $400 without a HD so I ll pay $400 for an XBOX360 which is a better offer compared to Sony\'s"

The casual consumer will think "ah whats this?They are selling me the HD separately now?I got the XBOX with the HD and all without paying more back then"

"Now(unlike then) we force you to pay more if you want it".Thats what some consumers may mistakenly see

I\'ll say it for the third time now, this all depends on how well Microsoft markets the two different packages.  The benefits, the drawbacks, whatever.  

The Premium system comes with more than just the HD, fyi.

yeah, 10$ worth of crap to produce that should be included in one $399 SKU.

they are doing this to make stupid consumers think they are getting so much more for paying the original price.....wait...i\'m sorry, that\'s you

it\'s a old school marketing gimmick, and you fell for it completely

[Paul2]

I think the 20 Gbytes HDD should only cost $20 or so consider computer\'s HDD price have drop quite a good amount per a GB.  Like a 120 GB Maxter HDD which can be had for $60 now, or maybe cheaper now.  So I think including a much lesser storage such as microsoft 20 GB should cost no more than $20.  If include in the system, it should be price at $319.99...

I hope there is only one version of the system with the HDD included and no other accessories (periphereals) included.  So, they can make money out of consumers on wireless controller, HD Video cable, etc by buying seperate...

lets say if the HDD is included selling at $320, I think Microsoft isn\'t losing much money by selling it at $300.  They can make it up by software sales and accessories/periphereals sale...

they\'re using a 2.5" HD (notebook), not that it makes it magically worth 100$

Originally posted by mm
yeah, 10$ worth of crap to produce that should be included in one $399 SKU.

they are doing this to make stupid consumers think they are getting so much more for paying the original price.....wait...i\'m sorry, that\'s you

it\'s a old school marketing gimmick, and you fell for it completely

If you were to buy all the stuff seperately (that makes up the premium package) then you\'d end up paying more than $399.

Please, stop talking like you know about it.

Rikku, that\'s just cuz the accessories are all over priced.

But the console technically isn\'t... since they\'re selling it at a loss again.

It\'s just a matter of opinion - do you think a gaming console has a $400 value?

I really don\'t. I figured it out and we\'re looking to spend about $600 for a couple games and a controller. If you plan on some 4 player action off the bat, those 50-fucking-dollar controllers will push you right to the brink of $750, $800...

Heh, and I hope you don\'t use a lot of gas driving out to the store.

-Dan

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Eiksirf
Rikku, that\'s just cuz the accessories are all over priced.

But the console technically isn\'t... since they\'re selling it at a loss again.

It\'s just a matter of opinion - do you think a gaming console has a $400 value?

I really don\'t. I figured it out and we\'re looking to spend about $600 for a couple games and a controller. If you plan on some 4 player action off the bat, those 50-fucking-dollar controllers will push you right to the brink of $750, $800...

Heh, and I hope you don\'t use a lot of gas driving out to the store.

-Dan

... I planned on walkin\' to get mine, gotta save money for that Premium Xbox 360! Can\'t afford no stinkin\' gas..

On a serious note, fifty dollars for a fuckin\' controller is obsence. I can\'t image payin\' that much....Speakin\' of which, let\'s look at a previous launch experience.

Sega Dreamcast - $200
Soul Calibur  - $50
Blue Stinger - $50
Sonic Adventure - $50
TrickStyle - $ 50
House of the Dead 2 - $50
Vmu - $30
Controller - $30

Price - $510 (plus taxes!)

Now let\'s look at a tricked out Xbox 360 or even PS3 (if indeed launch price is $400 for each system)

Xbox 360 (Premium) - 400
Two Games - 100
Controller - 50
Memory Card - 30

Right there, we already have a grand total of $580 dollars.

Let\'s look at a regular ole\' "core" Xbox 360..

Xbox 360 (Core) - $300
Two Games - 100
Controller - $50
Memory Card  - $30

Total Price? $480.

Not only did the Dreamcast give the best bang for the buck at launch, but it can also think!


Maybe Steve should go back to his commercial days when the Xbox 360 comes out.

http://www.funnyjunk.com/movies/25/Old%20windows%20commercial/stream

haha that\'s great.

aren\'t the $50 controllers the wireless ones? if you don\'t wanna pay that much, then just buy the wired ones. how much do those cost?