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« on: December 20, 2005, 09:00:36 PM »
Anyone here affected?  Seems pretty silly.  The stuff they want seems pretty minor to the amount of pay lost and possible fines they face when this thing blows over.



But yea it\'s all over the news because the poopular news outlets all have a branch in the big apple.

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2005, 10:30:25 PM »
You\'re playing with fire when you piss off millions of people this close to the holidays.

Remember the air-traffic control strike in mid-summer under Reagan?  He pink-slipped the whole union, and used military controllers until new controllers could be trained.  Every controller that illegally struck, was blacklisted in the USA permanently.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2005, 04:04:25 AM »
But did you know they haven\'t received a pay increase in two years and their pensions were being cut?  I believe they made their point.

Now get back to fucking work ya low life bus drivers.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2005, 05:44:44 AM »
why not give them a minor raise and get them back to work.  I\'m pretty sure the 400 million a DAY that NYC business are losing would more than pay for the increase.

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2005, 06:38:28 AM »
I think everywhere should adjust your pay every year due to inflation and such, but hey businesses are in it to make money and not everyone care\'s about their employees.

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2005, 06:56:19 AM »
It\'s cold up there too. And no cars in Manhattan with less than 4 occupants are allowed in. Now...once they drop off their passengers....do they get ticketed on the spot? ;)
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2005, 07:27:07 AM »
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I think everywhere should adjust your pay every year due to inflation and such, but hey businesses are in it to make money and not everyone care\'s about their employees.


i\'m with you on that as the cost of living goes up more and more each year,but I don\'t think the government has any right to mandate this to happen.  There is something called the classifieds, that\'s how you can get a raise.

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2005, 08:29:29 AM »
Oh, I know but I\'m just saying that businesses should do this to keep people, trust me only way they are going to pay me more is I find something else, lol.

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2005, 10:53:40 AM »
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But did you know they haven\'t received a pay increase in two years and their pensions were being cut?  I believe they made their point.

Now get back to fucking work ya low life bus drivers.


I did know that.

Did you know the city offered 3% per year each year for the next 3 years and was turned down?

Did you know that they were already in the upper eschilons of \'earning\' for city workers already?

Did you know that this illegal strike is costing the city hundreds of millions of dollars?  Yeah, that\'s a good way to make the city give you more money, money that they might not even have to spend anymore.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2005, 02:09:18 PM »
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I did know that.

Did you know the city offered 3% per year each year for the next 3 years and was turned down?

Did you know that they were already in the upper eschilons of \'earning\' for city workers already?

Did you know that this illegal strike is costing the city hundreds of millions of dollars?  Yeah, that\'s a good way to make the city give you more money, money that they might not even have to spend anymore.


3%..raise for the cost of living in new york?..:rolleyes:...that\'s nothing!...the city makes millions upon millions a day, and yet all they offer is 3%?...yea i know it also cost money to maintain tunnels, trains etc...but they make profits at least 4 times over to cover it....a 1 bedroom apt in new york will run you somethin\' around 1100 - 1200 a month!...unions to me are a double edged sword,..some unions can strike for legitamate reasons, while others can be assholes about a particular situation....while i do feel that this is a legit strike, sometimes you need unions to keep greedy CEO\'s in check...
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2005, 02:50:05 PM »
Any member of an essential service that illegally strikes should have their slips handed to them, period.  There is a reason it\'s called an essential service, and it\'s illegal for them to strike.

The fact that they decided to walk right before Christmas for extra pressure just makes it all the worse.  They had other options, job actions they could take.  

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In its last offer before negotiations broke down, the MTA had proposed maintaining a retirement age of 55 but increasing what new hires contribute to the pension plan. It would require new employees to pay 6 percent of their wages for their first 10 years, rather than the current 2 percent. Union officials said that such a change was unacceptable.

The union said the latest MTA offer included annual raises of 3 percent, 4 percent and 3.5 percent; the previous proposal included 3 percent raises each year.

No reduction in pension.  Just making the younger generation chip in more to the pot, which is going to be happening everywhere.  All pension plans and social nets are finding it harder to deal with longer-living-more-expensive-medicine-consuming retirees.

The next legal step?

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The MTA asked the Public Employment Relations Board to formally declare an impasse, the first step toward forcing binding arbitration of the contract, said James Edgar, the board\'s executive director.


Expect to see union leaders who called for the strike (ignoring the law, their parent union, which is against the action, and ignoring the public) in jail if they don\'t go back to work.
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As an example of the \'right way to do it\', here in Ottawa, OC transpo is arguing with the city for thier raises.  The city was offering I believe 3, 5, and 7% over the next five years or some such, and they wanted 7, 8, and 10.  They were in a legal strike position (after months), but because it was mid-terms time in university, they opted to wait, and use job-action (ie, no uniforms, no overtime) for a few weeks, and wait to strike for a while.  In any event, they promised that essential services, like handicap transpo would continue to run.

I frankly think they\'re asking for too much, since they are comparing their salary/job to the Ottawa police (who have more training and a harder job), but in any event, THIS is how you strike.  You make sure the public knows about your plight, and you strike legally, but you also consider how actions affect them.  Waiting for mid-terms to finish was a classy move, keeping the handi-transo running, was a classy move, and everyone who rides public transit knew about the problems (because of the job action), but were not completely screwed over by (and hating) the union.  I believe the union is now voting on an agreement reached, so strike averted (at the last second).
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2005, 02:53:49 PM »
They ain\'t getting as much sympathy with the holidays so close and the very cold weather.
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2005, 07:15:23 PM »
They said tonight that they are trying to get each and every employee fined 25 grand.  

That is freaking huge.  THat would be so awesome.

Who gets to retire at 55?  That\'s fucking retarded.  And 6% isn\'t shit.  Ridiculous.
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2005, 08:44:00 PM »
They won\'t get 25k per, but it\'s looking like they might just get 500-1500 per... which is still a huge amount of money.  Even the 1 mil they\'re fining the union per day will bankrupt the union soon.  And considering the workers loose 2 days pay for every day they strike, if this lasts more than a week they will loose more than they would get if they got their demands anyways.
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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2005, 01:58:47 AM »
Yea, all this is pretty rediculous.  I\'m glad to hear somebody is getting punished.  My moms b/f is a police detective in New York and I know he had to walk an hour to work the first day outside of taking some other train in to a certain distance.
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