Come on Everybody Let\'s Wiretap!

*"old man" and "nutjob" edited out*.

I\'ve said all I needed to say.

EDIT: Yeah, I agree, Eik.

Enough with the \'old man\' \'nutjob\' \'immature\' \'moonbat\' comments. K, thx.

-Dan

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Call me as a liberal, call me paranoid, but I find it disgusting that the goverment would to this. You can give me all these reasons that it may be valid and you know what? It doesn\'t matter. It comes down to one thing and that is privacy. I enjoy my privacy and I don\'t want the goverment to have any right to invade that privacy.

I will say this - one again, Giga goes to show he can\'t debate without cussing and what not at members.

Quotes.....

"Moonbat"

"Fucking clueless"

"Young and clueless"

The list goes on and on. Good job at representing your point of view...:rolleyes: You succesfully threw a tantrum on a forum. Congrat\'s to you, Giga. Just glad to see you are keeping it civil in this topic.

And if anyone is racist and what not, it would be you Giga. You\'ve attacked Mystiq and countless others for stupid stuff.

I had no idea that moonbat and young and clueless are so offensive... :rolleyes:  

As far as throwing a tantrum, hmmm hyper\'s insult filled posts were surprisingly overlooked by you.  Go figure and it isn\'t the first time it has happened.  Then again anyone who agrees with you gets a free pass from your ridicule. :rolleyes:  You still haven\'t figured out this forum creates very passionate debates?  More than say Console Gaming ever could.  Furthermore, I can debate circles around you in politics, but you don\'t care that much about this topic, just as I don\'t care about anime or Batman.

I dunno LIC maybe you and I should just get everything off our chests that we don\'t like about each other and be done with it.  Better yet, put me on ignore.

Once again I challenge anyone here to prove their privacy has been violated - I seriously doubt anyone in national intelligence even cares that you or I  exist LIC - or offer a better alternative to keep this country safe.  I have said this all along and not one person has given me an answer to either so instead I get hate filled posts directed at me because they can\'t answer my question.

I for one am sick of the constant attacks by some on the president.  I don\'t think he is the greatest president by any means, but seeing one baseless and negative post after the other about him gets quite old.  The Republicans are in power the Democrats are not - instead of the constant partisan attacks by the Democrats and rebuttals by the Republicans they should work together without trying to smear one another.  I am personally sick of both parties trying to make the other look bad for their own gain, but I feel it is coming more from the left because they are the ones trying to gain votes in the upcoming elections.

[Living-In-Clip]

Your problem is you are the single most judgemental person on this board. You want to sit here and debate, but you don\'t debate. All you do is put everyone else down for not sharing the same opinion as yourself. You want to know how to debate? Go read some of Cored\'s post, Shockwaves, Eik\'s . Those are posters who actually have a point and get it across without having to resort down to insulting, like you do.

Put simply - you act arrogant and ignorant at the same time. It\'s not that you don\'t have a point to get across, it\'s you don\'t know how to get it across. If you remained civil, I think people would take you a lot more serious, as it is, people just post more stuff to get you fired up and watch you go off. You\'re nothing but a tickin\' time bomb with each thread.

As for people callin\' the President out, guess what? It\'s part of the job. It is also our right to put everything he does under the microscope. If you want to blindly trust in him, go for it, but I think most American\'s want to know what is goin\' on and why. This includes wiretappin\'.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Your problem is you are the single most judgemental person on this board.

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Pot, Kettle, Black.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You want to sit here and debate, but you don\'t debate. All you do is put everyone else down for not sharing the same opinion as yourself. You want to know how to debate? Go read some of Cored\'s post, Shockwaves, Eik\'s . Those are posters who actually have a point and get it across without having to resort down to insulting, like you do.

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Read the same liberal talking points?  I asked Core just the other day about his comment that the president shouldn\'t go around any law and I received no response.  Probably because he doesn\'t have one.  I post very coherent and logical posts.  I only resort to insults when another insults me.  Again reread the posts in this thread.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Put simply - you act arrogant and ignorant at the same time. It\'s not that you don\'t have a point to get across, it\'s you don\'t know how to get it across. If you remained civil, I think people would take you a lot more serious, as it is, people just post more stuff to get you fired up and watch you go off. You\'re nothing but a tickin\' time bomb with each thread.

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Arrogant and ignorant - look in the mirrior LIC.  I know perfectly well how to get my points across.  A good number of the posters in this forum are naive and ignorant to reality.  As for people talking me seriously?  Don\'t care if they do or they don\'t - it is the internet.  

If you didn\'t have me in this forum along with maybe two or three others it would be equivalent to having a bunch of parrots locked up together.  It also seems you have the roles reversed, it is I who fire up people to lash out in their posts.  Take yourself for instance.  Also look at hyper\'s reaction to my post.  Go ahead and LOOK at it.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
As for people callin\' the President out, guess what? It\'s part of the job. It is also our right to put everything he does under the microscope. If you want to blindly trust in him, go for it, but I think most American\'s want to know what is goin\' on and why. This includes wiretappin\'.

You can criticize all you want, but guess what?  That is all you do!  Bitch and moan is about all you seem good at.  It seems you are not concerned at all with keeping this country safe, but only concerned about complaining.  If you don\'t trust the government there is no further discussion to be had.  Conspiracy theories and paranoia are not my thing.

I also don\'t understand why you feel you have the right to know everything the president does - this isn\'t some hippy commune.  Do you understand what security clearance is?  Do you understand that you do not have any clearance of any kind?  Do you understand what state secrets are?  Do you know that classified information is just that?  I guess the idea that if you knew everything so would our enemies hasn\'t occured yet.

...And... derailed.

-Dan

Here’s a little humor from Fafblog to lighten the mood.  

Q & A: Our Omnipotent President

Q. Can the president spy on Americans without a warrant?
A. The president has to spy on Americans without a warrant! We\'re at war, and the president\'s gotta defend America, and he\'s not gonna wait for a permission slip from a judge or a senator or America to do it!

Q. That\'s just the kinda tough, no-nonsense thinking I like in a de facto dictator! Now some crazy people say the president broke some silly old laws like FISA and the National Security Act and the Fourth Amendment. Are these crazy people crazy?
A. They sure are! Maybe those laws worked back in 1978 back when Leonid Brezhnev was snortin coke with Ayatollah Khomeini and groovin to the hits of the Bee Gees, but in today\'s dark and dangerous times they just aren\'t enough.

Q. Things sure have changed since the innocent days of mutually assured destruction! But is it legal for the president to ignore the law?
A. Maybe not according to plain ol stupid ol regular law, but we\'re at war! You don\'t go to war with regular laws, which are made outta red tape and bureaucracy and Neville Chamberlain. You go to war with great big strapping War Laws made outta tanks and cold hard steel and the American Fightin Man and WAR, KABOOOOOOM!

Q. How does a War Bill become a War Law?
A. It all begins with the president, who submits a bill to the president. If a majority of both the president and the president approve the bill, then it passes on to the president, who may veto it or sign it into law. And even then the president can override himself with a two-thirds vote.

Q. See it\'s the checks and balances that make all the difference in our democratic system.
A. It\'s true.

Q. Can the president spy on me without a warrant?
A. The president would never, ever spy on you, unless you\'re talking to a terrorist.

Q. That sounds reasonable!
A. Or an associate of a terrorist or a suspected associate of a terrorist or a possible suspected relative of a member of an affiliate of a terrorist or someone with a name that\'s spelled like a terrorist\'s or someone who\'s been mistakenly identified as a terrorist by an NSA algorithm.

Q. That sounds like I should look into switching to smoke signals.

…

Q. Is the president above the law?
A. Nobody\'s above the law! As commander-in-chief the president just outranks the law.

Q. So the president doesn\'t break the law. He just appoints new laws to fill vacancies in the office of law, as empowered by Acticle II of the Shmonstitution!
A. In the presidential order of succession the law falls between Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings and Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson.

Q. You can\'t put the law any higher. It would just slow down the War on Terror with bureaucratic rules and regulations like the Geneva Conventions and the Bill of Rights.
A. If the law outranked the president we\'d never get anything done! The president would go toss Osama bin Laden through a plate glass window and the law would call him into his office an go "Dammit president, you\'re outta control!"

Q. And then the president\'d be all "You\'re outta control, chief! The whole freakin system\'s outta control!"
A. And then the president would totally turn in his badge and quit the force to fight crime!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/24/nsa.strategy/

Excellent!

Thank you for re-opening this thread dispite hyper and giga\'s adolescent feud.