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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2006, 08:02:24 AM »
read  this

This article is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but it really illustrates just how far out there the reaction to these cartoons has been.  Frankly, you can\'t hope/expect the whole world to follow your religeous beliefs and you can\'t possibly hope to censor billions of people.
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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2006, 11:18:21 AM »
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well from i understand, muslims do believe in jesus.


They dont see him as the messiah though. Just a prophet. They say believinf jesus is god is polytheism.
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« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2006, 12:36:54 PM »
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well from i understand, muslims do believe in jesus. And sittin back and reflecting on this as a whole...yea it\'s freedom of speech and all,...but if if any cartoon was printed in any mainstream american newspaper,..depicting muslims, african americans,..or jews in any distateful manner..s**t would hit the fan....and while some of the cartoons weren\'t that bad, you just can\'t do stuff like that.

Again i do agree they overreacted, but when it comes to any religion, to some degree you have to be sensitivitely (spel) responsible...not sayin that you have to be careful like you\'re walkin\' on eggshells, but you have to respect each religion...whatever it may be...


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« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2006, 08:46:15 PM »
hee hee

Where do the flags for burning come from?  Israel.. heh heh heh.  Sooooo, the profit for these little protests?
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« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2006, 09:12:28 PM »
brilliant!

i can only pray i come across something like that and get $$$. Maybe hotdogs...on sticks...
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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2006, 04:32:39 AM »
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hee hee

Where do the flags for burning come from?  Israel.. heh heh heh.  Sooooo, the profit for these little protests?


That\'s retarded.

Anyway, if anyone needs me I\'ll be out buying magnetic ribbons and tiny flags for my car.

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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2006, 10:52:16 PM »
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In Bahrain, the parliament has passed a resolution calling for boycott of Danish goods, and demanding apologies from the Danish government and the Danish queen.

Taking things a weee bit to far, AYE?
Apology from the queen?
Next, deport all pigs or we will never forgive you. No more bacon for Denmark. :D [/B]

i laughed my ass off when i read that in the papers a few days back. democracy really put some retarded people in parliment!! :laughing:

about the cartoons, overreaction is an understatement. i myself find them tasteless. but damn! people have gone way overboard with their protest, they talked about boycotting danish products.. OK! (anyone care to smuggle in some danish cookies for me, samwise??), submitting an official protest to the Danes underlining ones discontent regarding the cartoons, again fine.  
but with all the flag burning and rehotric, i see now that stupidity and ignorance have no boundaries.
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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2006, 02:46:35 AM »
Damn Tyrant, long time no see! :D
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2006, 03:30:07 AM »
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Damn Tyrant, long time no see! :D

yeah its been a while huh! :P :).
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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2006, 10:41:18 PM »
Cartoon wars
Feb 9th 2006
From The Economist print edition

Free speech should override religious sensitivities. And it is not just the property of the West

“I DISAGREE with what you say and even if you are threatened with death I will not defend very strongly your right to say it.” That, with apologies to Voltaire, seems to have been the initial pathetic response of some western governments to the republication by many European newspapers of several cartoons of Muhammad first published in a Danish newspaper in September. When the republished cartoons stirred Muslim violence across the world, Britain and America took fright. It was “unacceptable” to incite religious hatred by publishing such pictures, said America\'s State Department. Jack Straw, Britain\'s foreign secretary, called their publication unnecessary, insensitive, disrespectful and wrong.

Really? There is no question that these cartoons are offensive to many Muslims (see article). They offend against a convention in Islam that the Prophet should not be depicted. And they offend because they can be read as equating Islam with terrorism: one cartoon has Muhammad with a bomb for his headgear. It is not a good idea for newspapers to insult people\'s religious or any other beliefs just for the sake of it. But that is and should be their own decision, not a decision for governments, clerics or other self-appointed arbiters of taste and responsibility. In a free country people should be free to publish whatever they want within the limits set by law.

No country permits completely free speech. Typically, it is limited by prohibitions against libel, defamation, obscenity, judicial or parliamentary privilege and what have you. In seven European countries it is illegal to say that Hitler did not murder millions of Jews. Britain still has a pretty dormant blasphemy law (the Christian God only) on its statute books. Drawing the line requires fine judgements by both lawmakers and juries. Britain, for example, has just jailed a notorious imam, Abu Hamza of London\'s Finsbury Park mosque, for using language a jury construed as solicitation to murder (see article). Last week, however, another British jury acquitted Nick Griffin, a notorious bigot who calls Islam “vicious and wicked”, on charges of stirring racial hatred.

Drawing the line

In this newspaper\'s view, the fewer constraints that are placed on free speech the better. Limits designed to protect people (from libel and murder, for example) are easier to justify than those that aim in some way to control thinking (such as laws on blasphemy, obscenity and Holocaust-denial). Denying the Holocaust should certainly not be outlawed: far better to let those who deny well-documented facts expose themselves to ridicule than pose as martyrs. But the Muhammad cartoons were lawful in all the European countries where they were published. And when western newspapers lawfully publish words or pictures that cause offence—be they ever so unnecessary, insensitive or disrespectful—western governments should think very carefully before denouncing them.

Freedom of expression, including the freedom to poke fun at religion, is not just a hard-won human right but the defining freedom of liberal societies. When such a freedom comes under threat of violence, the job of governments should be to defend it without reservation. To their credit, many politicians in continental Europe have done just that. France\'s interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, said rather magnificently that he preferred “an excess of caricature to an excess of censorship”—though President Jacques Chirac later spoiled the effect by condemning the cartoons as a “manifest provocation”.

Shouldn\'t the right to free speech be tempered by a sense of responsibility? Of course. Most people do not go about insulting their fellows just because they have a right to. The media ought to show special sensitivity when the things they say might stir up hatred or hurt the feelings of vulnerable minorities. But sensitivity cannot always ordain silence. Protecting free expression will often require hurting the feelings of individuals or groups, even if this damages social harmony. The Muhammad cartoons may be such a case.

In Britain and America, few newspapers feel that their freedoms are at risk. But on the European mainland, some of the papers that published the cartoons say they did so precisely because their right to publish was being called into question. In the Netherlands two years ago a film maker was murdered for daring to criticise Islam. Danish journalists have received death threats. In a climate in which political correctness has morphed into fear of physical attack, showing solidarity may well be the responsible thing for a free press to do. And the decision, of course, must lie with the press, not governments.

It\'s good to talk

It is no coincidence that the feeblest response to the outpouring of Muslim rage has come from Britain and America. Having sent their armies rampaging into the Muslim heartland, planting their flags in Afghanistan and Iraq and putting Saddam Hussein on trial, George Bush and Tony Blair have some making up to do with Muslims. Long before making a drama out of the Danish cartoons, a great many Muslims had come to equate the war on terrorism with a war against Islam. This is an equation Osama bin Laden and other enemies of the West would like very much to encourage and exploit. In circumstances in which embassies are being torched, isn\'t denouncing the cartoons the least the West can do to show its respect for Islam, and to stave off a much-feared clash of civilisations?

No. There are many things western countries could usefully say and do to ease relations with Islam, but shutting up their own newspapers is not one of them. People who feel that they are not free to give voice to their worries about terrorism, globalisation or the encroachment of new cultures or religions will not love their neighbours any better. If anything, the opposite is the case: people need to let off steam. And freedom of expression, remember, is not just a pillar of western democracy, as sacred in its own way as Muhammad is to pious Muslims. It is also a freedom that millions of Muslims have come to enjoy or to aspire to themselves. Ultimately, spreading and strengthening it may be one of the best hopes for avoiding the incomprehension that can lead civilisations into conflict.

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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2006, 11:47:44 AM »
Radical muslims can claim a victory

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Comedy Central censored the part of the episode in which Mohammed (a recurring character) entered on screen and said jihad! jihad!.  They didn\'t censor, however, the close of the episode, Jesus deficating on the POTUS.
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On the one hand, the cartoons got more press than they ever would otherwise, but lets look at what they managed to do to the global climate.  A lot of media groups won\'t publish images of Mohammed now, which, if you look at it from the \'before\' and \'current\' view, is an improvement for them, since before they were all willing to stand up for their freedom of expression.  Even if they didn\'t shut everyone up, they\'ve got people examining every single mention of Mohammed.  *shudder*

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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2006, 05:43:24 PM »
Why do you people judge them based on your own standards? If they judge you based on their own standards you wont like it.

 We have culture differences and some things that arent as important for us they are for them.

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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2006, 06:20:18 PM »
It\'s ok to bash other religions, but if their religion gets bashed they\'re up in arms, flipping out, burning flags...blah blah blah. :rolleyes: This censorship thing is ridiculous.

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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2006, 06:43:54 PM »
I already answered to that

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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2006, 06:46:25 PM »
No you didn\'t.

 

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