1up rips on Sony

a toy should be cheaper than 250$

how has the mario franchise changed?
the fat little guy is still stomping on mushrooms and flying thru pipes

Yep, an impressive Nintendo press conference it was indeed.
You could sense the good audience feedback.

...but, bashing the PS3 value pack is not entirely justified :

In PAL regions there are many ppl who don\'t have and/or
don\'t plan to buy a HDMI compliant screen. Why ?
Becuz VAT makes those screens expensive and the PAL format
is by nature already very very good.
Also, it will be a 100 Euros cheaper than the 60Gb version,
so that\'s a bigger difference than the 100 USD for
the USA PS3\'s.

I\'m not saying the PS3 value pack is a superdeal, but it\'s
a very reasonable compromise. Sony\'s press conference
was not bad but not super either. This is not all that relevant.
There is enough proof by now that PS3 has the right \'ingredients\'
to become a succes without even suffering from \'PS2 snags\'
like the whole PS2 jaggies affair.

$250 isn\'t cheap? But $600 is worth it?
I\'ve heard it all now. How cheap do you think the Wii should friggin\' be? Not debating the price of the PS3, just not sure what you consider "cheap".

I didnt say Wii isnt cheap. :rolleyes:

PS3 just picks more my interest. Got a problem with that? After I get one I ll wait for Wii to get cheap. I wont pay 250 on top of the 500 I might pay for a PS3.  Yes I said might because its not 100% sure I ll get one at launch.

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a toy should be cheaper than 250$

how has the mario franchise changed?
the fat little guy is still stomping on mushrooms and flying thru pipes

A toy?
It\'s a toy now?

I\'m not even goin\' to get into this debate.

Yep, an impressive Nintendo press conference it was indeed.
You could sense the good audience feedback.

...but, bashing the PS3 value pack is not entirely justified :

In PAL regions there are many ppl who don\'t have and/or
don\'t plan to buy a HDMI compliant screen.
Also, it will be a 100 Euros cheaper than the 60Gb version,
so that\'s a bigger difference than the 100 USD for
the USA PS3\'s.

But that is still more than our $600 pack.

You\'re not saving much there man.

you cannot say that nintendo isn\'t still targetting the under 18 age group, LIC

your average 18-34 year old wants nothing to do with nintendo, much less the "wii"

But that is still more than our $600 pack.

You\'re not saving much there man.

 Very true. I wonder how we in Europe will respond to it. I am very positive that people are more excited with the PS3 than the 360 here but I dont know if its enough to make all of us want to pay more for a PS3 than a 360.

 People here love Tekken, FF, MGS, GT and the likes. 360 doesnt have a franchise as powerful as these yet.

mm, you\'re average 20 something doesn\'t even know about the Wii yet.
 
Marketing and word of mouth will dictate whether the average consumer buys into the concept.
 
And knowing Nintendo, that leaves it to word of mouth.
 
So now we need to see who talks louder, me or you? ;]
 
-Dan

if the average 20 somethiing hasn\'t heard of the wii yet, that\'s bad

they are going to walk into a store, see a kid playing with the remote, and keep walking to the PS3/360

louder?

you cannot say that nintendo isn\'t still targetting the under 18 age group, LIC

your average 18-34 year old wants nothing to do with nintendo, much less the "wii"

They\'ve said for quite some time that they are targeting non-gamers in hopes of creating a new audience.  They\'ll no doubt appease their current fanbase, and if the DS is any indication then they\'ll bring in a new audience (of which includes 18-34 year olds).

I haven\'t checked in a while but I bet the DS is STILL outselling the PSP.  Go Nintendo Go.

do we need to listen reasons why it\'s outselling the PSP?
they shouldn\'t be a suprise

do we need to listen reasons why it\'s outselling the PSP?
they shouldn\'t be a suprise

innovation, a better lineup of games, cheaper

you know this.

lol at innovation
a 2nd touch screen?

the #1 reason that the DS is outselling the PSP
*insert drumroll*
nintendo is smart enough to make games that are geared towards portability.

handheld users want to turn the unit on and played for x amount of minutes.
the PSP almost makes this difficult with longer load times, and titles that are mainly ported from the PS2.

when i ride the bus, i play Bejeweled on my cell phone, because i can close the phone when i get off (saves my game automatically), and i can then continue the next day.

sony did it mostly wrong with the PSP

He already mentioned a better lineup of games.
 
When I say average consumer, I mean people who don\'t follow games. These people haven\'t heard of PS3 or Wii yet. The hype machine is just getting under way for those who don\'t pursue it like we do.

the average consumer is already well aware of the wii and PS3 (hence xbox 360 sales)
i just read a report the other day that over 50% of all adults actively play video games.

and i didn\'t agree to "better lineup of games" ><