Good Comparison Of Both Versions Of PS3

[Paul2]

Maybe LIC is worry the ps3 might dominate the console war again this generation.  I still not sure why he doesn\'t have any interest in Blu Ray since he had HDTV.  I guess maybe he prefers watching DVD quality movies on his HDTV or something.:shy:

The point is the same, you sit here and make these stupid comments.  I am sorry I\'m not Pro-Sony and am pointing out negative things, how about I just point out just the great pro Sony things? Come on, give me a fu**in\' break.

If you have something of actual content to add to the thread, then fine, go ahead, but quit posting dumbshit like this all because my opinion obviously does not agree with yours.

You post negative comments (often unrelated to the original topic) in virtually every PS3 thread on the boards.  If you are such an anti-sony guy, just make new threads to get out any new negative info.  Quit hijacking the threads that actual fans make when they get excited about some new feature or game.

[Evi]

Maybe LIC is worry the ps3 might dominate the console war again this generation. I still not sure why he doesn\'t have any interest in Blu Ray since he had HDTV. I guess maybe he prefers watching DVD quality movies on his HDTV or something.

I\'m a little iffy on the Blu-ray thing myself. The 1x Blu-ray is equivalent to what...an 8x DVD reader? That\'s not much faster transfer speeds than the PS2\'s DVD reader. :/ The larger disc capacity is needed for the HD content, though I suppose. I think the Xbox 360 wins in the load time department. If Blu-ray wins the format war, then maybe it\'ll make a little more sense, but we won\'t know the outcome of that for years to come.

The larger disc capacity is needed for the HD content, though I suppose. I think the Xbox 360 wins in the load time department. If Blu-ray wins the format war, then maybe it\'ll make a little more sense, but we won\'t know the outcome of that for years to come.

I\'ve never cared much about load times,  I\'ve never been bothered by them.  I don\'t mind waiting 10 seconds.  I don\'t have ADD

In terms of importance,

disc capacity > load time

Think of N64 cartridges and PS discs.  Which would you rather have?

[Evi]

In terms of importance,

disc capacity > load time

Yeah, I agree with ya there.

I\'ve never cared much about load times, I\'ve never been bothered by them. I don\'t mind waiting 10 seconds. I don\'t have ADD

Well, I suppose twice as fast is decent. But I heard so much praise about Blu-ray\'s better transfer speeds and Sony only included a 1x Blu-ray reader in the PS3. I guess this was due to cost and the new technology. What I think will be cool is the nearly scratch-proof coating on the BR discs.

Think of N64 cartridges and PS discs. Which would you rather have?

The latter.

Speeds are such a misnomer for these things.  You just need sufficient bitrate to transfer enough data.

CD @ 1X = 150 kb/s = sufficient for CD playback realtime.  Faster is great for data transfer though.
DVD @ 1X = 1350 kb/s = sufficient for DVD video playback in realtime.  9x faster than a single speed CD.  Faster is better for data transfer.
BluRay @ 1X = 4500 kb/s = sufficient for High Definition playback in realtime.  Even 2X drives would have a great transfer rate... as in a 60X CD drive....  Better for data, and important to make faster ones too, since it\'ll take a while to fill a 50 GB disk at even 4.5 megs a second.
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The PS2 is only a 4X DVD drive, and the PS3 is supposed to be a 2X BluRay drive, so much faster data transfer rate.

The n64 was an excellent system with some amazing games.  

Disc capacity and loading times are such non-issues when it comes to the consoles we have.  If a developer can\'t make a good game with what\'s available then they\'re crap, plain and simple.

[Paul2]

the PS3 is supposed to be a 2X BluRay drive, so much faster data transfer rate.

That\'s what I thought too, that the ps3 have at least 2x speed Blu Ray Drive.

Like you said, 1x = 4.5 Mbytes, and 2x = 9 Mbytes per sec of data rate.

As the case of XBOX360 12x dvd drive...

1x = 1.35 Mbytes....12x =...16.2 Mbytes per second of data rate...

interesting, but the dvd drive 12x speed isn\'t as linear as the 2x speed from blu ray...so that means, the load time between the two should be similiar, with XBOX360 being a bit faster...

The n64 was an excellent system with some amazing games.  

Disc capacity and loading times are such non-issues when it comes to the consoles we have.  If a developer can\'t make a good game with what\'s available then they\'re crap, plain and simple.

lol this is true,  but...sometimes choice of what format your going to put your software on can cost you.  N64 lost FF7 because it used cartridges.  Who knows how many games went to PS because they werent possible on N64 cartridges?  Will this be the same with DVD and bluray?  Who knows


OK FatalXception said PS3 has 2x bluray and Evi says 1x...which is it?

lol this is true,  but...sometimes choice of what format your going to put your software on can cost you.  N64 lost FF7 because it used cartridges.  Who knows how many games went to PS because they werent possible on N64 cartridges?  Will this be the same with DVD and bluray?  Who knows


OK FatalXception said PS3 has 2x bluray and Evi says 1x...which is it?

Do you remember all the factors behind some developers shunning the cartridge?  It wasn\'t only capacity, cost had a lot to do with it, too.  CD\'s cost pennies to manufacter while cartridges cost many times more.  That cost ate into the publishers\' profit.

blu-ray expense >>> dvd expense

When exactly did Sony sell you on the idea that blu-ray was necessary for this generation of games?

Do you remember all the factors behind some developers shunning the cartridge?  It wasn\'t only capacity, cost had a lot to do with it, too.  CD\'s cost pennies to manufacter while cartridges cost many times more.  That cost ate into the publishers\' profit.

OK,  you have a point

When exactly did Sony sell you on the idea that blu-ray was necessary for this generation of games?

First,  I\'m not saying bluray is necessary,  I\'m just saying it makes the PS3 future proof and was a smart move on Sony\'s part to include it.  Kutargi and co is not the type to keep last generation technology (DVD) in a  new system.

Oh and when develeopers start making games only possible on bluray I\'ll be sure to let you know.   Heck,  they have dual-layered DVDs on low resolution PS2 games.  Why would they not need more space?

Yeah,  and bluray has 5 times the storage capacity of DVD.  Are you saying developers will not try and tap into that extra storage for games?  I\'m sure when CD first came out people thought they had all the space they would ever need.  Then soon games started appearing on multiple CDs.  Then we got DVD.  I was one who thought we would never need anything else,  for DVD could hold 7 CDs.  Then now develeopers are saying they may need more then DVD.  Sony is upping it\'s technology with each new system.  CD on PS,  DVD on PS2 and bluray on PS3.

The n64 was an excellent system with some amazing games.  

Disc capacity and loading times are such non-issues when it comes to the consoles we have.  If a developer can\'t make a good game with what\'s available then they\'re crap, plain and simple.

True but not absolutely. There is still a limit

[Evi]

OK FatalXception said PS3 has 2x bluray and Evi says 1x...which is it?

I may have gotten my numbers wrong, but I\'m going to go with FX\'s claim. He seems to be more sure of himself.

BluRay @ 1X = 4500 kb/s = sufficient for High Definition playback in realtime.

I thought it was much higher than that.

Here\'s an FAQ:



Taken from http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

[Paul2]

I may have gotten my numbers wrong, but I\'m going to go with FX\'s claim. He seems to be more sure of himself.

I am pretty sure PS3 is at least 2x speed and the table picture sort of prove it.  It said 1.5x speed = 54 mbps, and it said blu ray movies can run up to 1.5x to get 54 mbps to the maximum video bitrate and audio bitrate.  If PS3 runs only at 1x speed max, then it won\'t be able to play movies that uses the maximum 54 mbps bitrate...

I thought it was much higher than that.

Here\'s an FAQ:



Taken from http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

that table picture write them in "bit" rate length.
1x = 36 mbps, and 1.5x = 54 mbps

FatalXception writes them in "byte" rate.

this remind me of the time where you called me crack fiend about converting bits to bytes situation over a year ago...

OK,  you have a point



First,  I\'m not saying bluray is necessary,  I\'m just saying it makes the PS3 future proof and was a smart move on Sony\'s part to include it.  Kutargi and co is not the type to keep last generation technology (DVD) in a  new system.

Oh and when develeopers start making games only possible on bluray I\'ll be sure to let you know.   Heck,  they have dual-layered DVDs on low resolution PS2 games.  Why would they not need more space?

Yeah,  and bluray has 5 times the storage capacity of DVD.  Are you saying developers will not try and tap into that extra storage for games?  I\'m sure when CD first came out people thought they had all the space they would ever need.  Then soon games started appearing on multiple CDs.  Then we got DVD.  I was one who thought we would never need anything else,  for DVD could hold 7 CDs.  Then now develeopers are saying they may need more then DVD.  Sony is upping it\'s technology with each new system.  CD on PS,  DVD on PS2 and bluray on PS3.

Compression techniques get better all the time, and Microsoft says that DVD9\'s are adequate for this generation.  Thus far, all the 360 games are on one DVD.  Oblivion, has some 200+ hours of gameplay available and it\'s on one DVD...with hi-def graphics, all the NPC\'s have voice overs, and there\'s an orchestral soundtrack.  Encant Arms is a 40+ hour RPG with FMV...and it\'s on one disc.  IF a game does require multiple DVD\'s then they would probably be in the minority, and I\'m not so lazy that I can\'t change out a disc.  What\'s funny is that it\'s probably still cheaper to make a multiple dvd game than to manufacture one blu-ray game (at this point in time anyway).

I have a question now, what is that capacity going to allow?  From what I\'ve read, perhaps more varied textures and what not.  If that\'s all it offers then all I have to say is I\'ve seen Gears of War, Oblivion, and Kameo...the 360 will be fine.  

I\'ve read a few developer interviews with their concerns on space, two actually.  Epic and Team Ninja.  I\'m not sure what Epic is concerned about, but I can live without the all the FMV in the next Dead or Alive game.  I\'ll be curious to hear the first PR from a Sony first party proclaiming they are doing something that would otherwise be impossible without blu-ray.  You can tell me when that comes up.

Uni, developers managed to make amazing games up to this point without blu-ray.  Even with blu-ray, there are limitations.  There were always limitations, and there always be limitations.  They won\'t all of a sudden be creatively, innovatively, or otherwise stumped.