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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2006, 05:28:02 AM »
The saying "you don\'t know what you have until it\'s gone" is so true. Can you imagine how Bush would react to questions like that? "Umm... You see *mispronounced words and stuttering etc*"

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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2006, 06:40:25 AM »
60 years old and still sharp.  FF\'ed through it and he seemed to be pretty upset, I\'ll watch the full video at home.

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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2006, 07:36:36 AM »
Well, the question was expected from Clinton and yet Clinton fumed and took a long tirade which took up most of the time slot. However, if he had just answered it quickly and said, READ THE GOD DAMN BOOK! it would have been over.

Clinton seemed to defend himself well until he focused his rage on Chris Wallace.
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 08:15:05 AM »
I like Clinton. I have a great deal of respect for him. He is sharp as a tack and turned from being on the defensive in that interview to the offensive and dictated himself very well. Wallace totally got owned by him.
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 08:16:06 AM »
The real Clinton emerges

From behind the benign facade and the tranquilizing smile, the real Bill Clinton emerged Sunday during Chris Wallace’s interview on Fox News Channel. There he was on live television, the man those who have worked for him have come to know – the angry, sarcastic, snarling, self-righteous, bombastic bully, roused to a fever pitch. The truer the accusation, the greater the feigned indignation. Clinton jabbed his finger in Wallace’s face, poking his knee, and invading the commentator’s space.

But beyond noting the ex-president’s non-presidential style, it is important to answer his distortions and misrepresentations. His self-justifications constitute a mangling of the truth which only someone who once quibbled about what the “definition of ‘is’ is” could perform.

Clinton told Wallace, “There is not a living soul in the world who thought that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with Black Hawk Down.” Nobody said there was. The point of citing Somalia in the run up to 9-11 is that bin Laden told Fortune Magazine in a 1999 interview that the precipitous American pullout after Black Hawk Down convinced him that Americans would not stand up to armed resistance.

Clinton said conservatives “were all trying to get me to withdraw from Somalia in 1993 the next day” after the attack which killed American soldiers. But the real question was whether Clinton would honor the military’s request to be allowed to stay and avenge the attack, a request he denied. The debate was not between immediate withdrawal and a six-month delay. (Then-first lady, now-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) favored the first option, by the way). The fight was over whether to attack or pull out eventually without any major offensive operations.

The president told Wallace, “I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill bin Laden.” But actually, the 9-11 Commission was clear that the plan to kidnap Osama was derailed by Sandy Berger and George Tenet because Clinton had not yet made a finding authorizing his assassination. They were fearful that Osama would die in the kidnapping and the U.S. would be blamed for using assassination as an instrument of policy.

Clinton claims “the CIA and the FBI refused to certify that bin Laden was responsible [for the Cole bombing] while I was there.” But he could replace or direct his employees as he felt. His helplessness was, as usual, self-imposed.

Why didn’t the CIA and FBI realize the extent of bin Laden’s involvement in terrorism? Because Clinton never took the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center sufficiently seriously. He never visited the site and his only public comment was to caution against “over-reaction.” In his pre-9/11 memoirs, George Stephanopoulos confirms that he and others on the staff saw it as a “failed bombing” and noted that it was far from topic A at the White House. Rather than the full-court press that the first terror attack on American soil deserved, Clinton let the investigation be handled by the FBI on location in New York without making it the national emergency it actually was.

In my frequent phone and personal conversations with both Clintons in 1993, there was never a mention, not one, of the World Trade Center attack. It was never a subject of presidential focus.

Failure to grasp the import of the 1993 attack led to a delay in fingering bin Laden and understanding his danger. This, in turn, led to our failure to seize him when Sudan evicted him and also to our failure to carry through with the plot to kidnap him. And, it was responsible for the failure to “certify” him as the culprit until very late in the Clinton administration.

The former president says, “I worked hard to try to kill him.” If so, why did he notify Pakistan of our cruise-missile strike in time for them to warn Osama and allow him to escape? Why did he refuse to allow us to fire cruise missiles to kill bin Laden when we had the best chance, by far, in 1999? The answer to the first question — incompetence; to the second — he was paralyzed by fear of civilian casualties and by accusations that he was wagging the dog. The 9/11 Commission report also attributes the 1999 failure to the fear that we would be labeled trigger-happy having just bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade by mistake.

President Clinton assumes that criticism of his failure to kill bin Laden is a “nice little conservative hit job on me.”  But he has it backwards. It is not because people are right-wingers that they criticize him over the failure to prevent 9/11. It was his failure to catch bin Laden that drove them to the right wing.

The ex-president is fully justified in laying eight months of the blame for the failure to kill or catch bin Laden at the doorstep of George W. Bush. But he should candidly acknowledge that eight years of blame fall on him.

One also has to wonder when the volcanic rage beneath the surface of this would-be statesman will cool. When will the chip on his shoulder finally disappear? When will he feel sufficiently secure in his own legacy and his own skin not to boil over repeatedly in private and occasionally even in public?
 
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 08:22:59 AM »
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I like Clinton. I have a great deal of respect for him. He is sharp as a tack and turned from being on the defensive in that interview to the offensive and dictated himself very well. Wallace totally got owned by him.


While I don\'t hate Clinton, I feel everything he says is to benefit him - even if it means just flat out lying.  If you look at the article I posted above, not all have fallen under his shuck and jive spell.  I personally thought the "how dare you ask me that question" attitude was comical.  He should own up to his responsibility just as the article states - but then again his ego won\'t let him.  He can\'t stand the fact that his facade is cracking and falling apart.
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 09:19:00 AM »
As a non American looking in, I would say that I think Clinton was the best president the US has had in my lifetime.  It\'s arguable, of course, and opinion, but that\'s the way I feel.  I loved watching the whole interview, IMO, Clinton gave a great interview, and really showed the difference between himself and others.  He commands respect, others demand it.

Fact is, in he did more per month in his eight years of office to fight terrorism than the Bush administration did per month pre-911.  After 911, the fight on terrorism \'began\' in earnest, but I also see that as a massive crutch that the current administration has used to further their own agendas, which I think is going to bite them eventually.

On a separate note, I find it interesting that Fox keeps getting the video removed from youtube, but they\'re leaving up all sorts of other videos and news stories.  The News is in the PAST now, there\'s no more revenue to be made from it, so I can only assume this is because they themselves don\'t like seeing Clinton\'s words get out and they were surprised at how ready he was.
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2006, 09:29:07 AM »
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As a non American looking in, I would say that I think Clinton was the best president the US has had in my lifetime.  It\'s arguable, of course, and opinion, but that\'s the way I feel.  I loved watching the whole interview, IMO, Clinton gave a great interview, and really showed the difference between himself and others.  He commands respect, others demand it.

Fact is, in he did more per month in his eight years of office to fight terrorism than the Bush administration did per month pre-911.  After 911, the fight on terrorism \'began\' in earnest, but I also see that as a massive crutch that the current administration has used to further their own agendas, which I think is going to bite them eventually.

On a separate note, I find it interesting that Fox keeps getting the video removed from youtube, but they\'re leaving up all sorts of other videos and news stories.  The News is in the PAST now, there\'s no more revenue to be made from it, so I can only assume this is because they themselves don\'t like seeing Clinton\'s words get out and they were surprised at how ready he was.


26?  Best president in your lifetime?  I suppose you could look at it that way.  I guess one starts taking a quasi interest in politics in their teens - so really you have only been around for 2 presidents.  Just imagine if you were around for Nixon, Ford and Carter... you would be saying Carter was the best US president. :rofl:

Bush is not without blame - but some of you think Clinton is without blame and that is simply not true - it takes years for a terrorist plot of that nature to plan, not 8 months.  As for the interview I thought Clinton\'s defense was weak since he was saying read Dick Clarke\'s book, when he should have been pointing to the 9/11 commission like Condi Rice did today... but he couldn\'t since it contradicts what he is claiming.
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2006, 09:35:04 AM »
I would also say Bush did more to create more terrorism in 8 months than Clinton did in 8 years

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2006, 09:45:57 AM »
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I would also say Bush did more to create more terrorism in 8 months than Clinton did in 8 years


So Bush caused 9/11?  Let\'s see what took place during Clinton\'s 8 years...  1993 an attack on the WTC.  2000 the USS Cole gets bombed.  Embassy bombings... The point is Islamic terrorism was around before both Bush and Clinton.  

I suppose your answer to 9/11 would have been to sit back and do nothing.  That is exactly what bin Laden had hoped for - as he made the same observation after BHD in Somalia when we withdrew.  Appeasing terrorists or those that support terrorism is not the answer.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2006, 09:48:51 AM »
I actually became interested in world events quite young, in the 80s during Reagan.  I would rate the presidents thus from my life:

Clinton #1.
Reagan #2 - close behind.
Bush SR #3 - Close to Reagan.
Bush JR #4 - Last (very last).
Carter #- - Who knows? I was 2 when he left office.

My problem with bush is less about his policy than his character, although I suppose it\'s his character flaws that have led to policy being shaped the way it has by those who control him.  Unfortunately I think with such power concentrated in a single person, he didn\'t inherit (learn?) the skills his father demonstrated as a President.  I think Bush JR isn\'t as smart as former presidents (Bushisms, anyone?), and it really shows.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2006, 09:51:21 AM »
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So Bush caused 9/11?  Let\'s see what took place during Clinton\'s 8 years...  1993 an attack on the WTC.  2000 the USS Cole gets bombed.  Embassy bombings... The point is Islamic terrorism was around before both Bush and Clinton.  

I suppose your answer to 9/11 would have been to sit back and do nothing.  That is exactly what bin Laden had hoped for - as he made the same observation after BHD in Somalia when we withdrew.  Appeasing terrorists or those that support terrorism is not the answer.

Actually, as Clinton hinted at, without saying, they should have gone in massively to Afganistan.  Scorched earth, leave NO Al-qaeda operative unharmed.  This might have been possible if they hadn\'t been looking forwards towards Iraq so much.  Fact is, the \'reason\' (WMDs, terror support) they went into Iraq were invalid at worst, and at best COMMON to a few countries, which to my mind really says they should never have gone in (or not they way they did, I suppose would be what I\'m saying).

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2006, 10:20:24 AM »
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Actually, as Clinton hinted at, without saying, they should have gone in massively to Afganistan.  Scorched earth, leave NO Al-qaeda operative unharmed.  This might have been possible if they hadn\'t been looking forwards towards Iraq so much.  Fact is, the \'reason\' (WMDs, terror support) they went into Iraq were invalid at worst, and at best COMMON to a few countries, which to my mind really says they should never have gone in (or not they way they did, I suppose would be what I\'m saying).


Clinton was so indecisive and later distracted during his eight years I highly doubt he would have gone all out in Afghanistan either if 9/11 would have happened during his administration.  

As far as presidents in the late 20th century go:

Reagan (demise of the USSR and the Cold War due to his policies)
Clinton (tied)
Bush Sr.  (tied)
Ford (signed his political death warrant when he pardoned Nixon - saving the office of the presidency)
Nixon (besides Watergate he was actually not a bad president - renewed relations with China and started the withdrawal from Vietnam)
GWB (would have been better if 9/11 didn\'t happen)
Carter (worst president in the past 100 years)

I think Guilliani said it the best about who to blame for 9/11 - the terrorists.
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2006, 10:59:58 AM »
Here\'s something rather less controversial and more entertaining.
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