iraq....

now i realize the things LIC said are about you are quiet true, uni

[Titan]

now i realize the things LIC said are about you are quiet true, uni

Yeah but LIC said the same thing to everyone

now i realize the things LIC said are about you are quiet true, uni

1) Even I dont understand your English there

2)Post a reply that has something to do with the subject. But you have no arguements anyways.

3)In case you didnt know there were lots of research on the state of middle east since the 70s and it was KNOWN since then that a civil war would brake out in case Saddam was taken out.
It was never the oppression of Iraqis the problem that politicians and military reckognised in Iraq and in general the middle east.

It was always the conflict between Sunni\'s and Shiah\'s and the US needs these conflicts between Arabs to keep them at bay so they would never manage to have complete control of the area and their sources.

They even proposed geopolitical maps that would fragment the middle east (and Turkey) into states with US/NATO bases placed in them, divided to various groups (Kurds, Shiahs, Sunnis, Armenians etc)  but each state would depend on the US.
 Problem is they underestimated the cinditions, and like in the past have skrewed things up, just like they did with the "creation" of Saddam, the rise of Khomeni (and the loss of one of their most important military allies: Iran), Bin Laden\'s revolt, and now the chaos in Iraq. But thast what happens when interests are put above everything else. You end up skrewing yourself at the process.

 It seems everyone knew that except...You?

And they also know what the US is after from Iraq.

what is the US after?

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Oh look we have a spelling competition

[Bobs_Hardware]

The spelling competition was an allegory.

interpretation of that "allegory"= avoidance

oil....

[Titan]

oil....

[Dave Chappelle]Oil. What are you cooking bitch? Oil?.......*knocks pitcher of water over*LETS GET OUT OF HERE!!![/Dave Chappelle]

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i wouldn\'t say that they were after oil,....but the u.s. did want some type of presence(spel) in the area, and with the toppel of saddam, i\'m sure they were thinking somewhere in the not too distant future, we could build bases in or around iraq,....if the situation ever develops into some type of civil gov\'t, expect to see u.s. bases in the area...to me the oil was just an added bonus...

i\'ve always stated all along that the reason bush went into iraq was some type of personal vendetta against saddam,...since bush sr. never finished the job back in 91...so he used 911 as an excuse to go in there why?..imo...

1.  personal vendetta

2.  he thought that this mission would be a walk in the park...

it spoke volumes at the time when then sec of state Colin Powell stated that there was no reason to go into iraq, he, bush and rumsfield was at odds for the longest time....ultimately they ended up strong-arming him into the u.n. presentation.....funny how he retired shortly after doing that....

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just came from my sister\'s house and my brother-in-law was showin\' me some more iraqi sniper video from youtube....let me just say this,....i know both sides play the propaganda game,..but seriously guys,...the s**t these snipers are doin to to our soldiers is just really f**ked up...there\'s the one sniper who calls himself "judas"...and he just has video afrter video of him just picking off american soldiers at will....he states that he\'s tired of how america tries to portray their soldiers as invincible like in the movies,....he states that the troops are overrun with fear and dismay with every sniper shot...

i don\'t say this to glamorize this insurgent sniper, but watching those video\'s it just seems that our troops don\'t stand a chance over there,...i mean he\'s picking them off in armored tanks, armored humvees,...even within crowded areas on the street,...in one shot he blew bits and pieces of what seemed to be the soldiers head and helmet,..really depressing stuff.....at the end of the tape it showed how many troops he killed wounded missed etc....

y\'know i can only imagine what our troops are goin\' thru over there,..even with all that armor they are being picked off like flies over there......yea yea i know they signed up for it and that\'s a chance you take when you sign up, but s**t you better put your troops in harms way for a good reason,..now iraq is worse than even when saddam was runnin it.....

hearin\' about troops dying on the news everyday is waay different than seeing them being slaughtered on youtube.....and all the prez has to say is that we can\'t give up we gotta stay until iraq is stabilized....i\'m sure years from now when bush is like 75 or 80, he\'ll finally admit that iraq was a failure,...they always admit s**t like that years down the road when they aren\'t in office anymore...i know i\'m rantin\' but just seein our troops lookin like they don\'t stand a chance over there,is depressing....

Ok I saw that video and obviously you didn\'t look closely at it.  Half of the clips are Iraqi security forces not US soldiers.  Secondly, the snipers are terrible shots - they miss at least 25 percent of the time or they target the body - the only times they seem to get head shot are when they are pretty damn close, otherwise they target the torso or just plain miss.  Thirdly, I noticed they recycled some of the clips like 3 times throughout the whole thing.

Lastly, I think most of those where you see the guy knocked down - were exactly that - his body armor or helmet absorbed the blow.  You are acting like these turban head snipers are good and decimating our troops - they aren\'t.  Try watching some of our counter sniper squads in action - they are the real deal.  It is propaganda that you buy into and I guess it works on some people.

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^^^so i guess you\'re also buyin\' into the propoganda that we\'re winnin\' over there? I already stated both sides play the prop game, but giga clearly those troops which even tho half of \'em may be u.s. troops, it doesn\'t dismiss the fact that for the most part they are on post or just hangin out, and these guys are picking them off at will. I don\'t doubt that our guys are experts at what they do, i\'m sure that they are the finest around. I honestly must say though that when i did a search on american snipers in iraq, i would come across a few where they would show some troops shooting and yelling "hell yea", but i never seen any physical shots shown in detail in the way the iraqi snipers are basically showing it to you as it\'s bein done...*maybe i need to do a more detailed search*

Again i\'m not glamorizin\' these snipers, i just want our troops outta there,....but the minute we leave, iraq will spiral into even more carnage. you\'ve got sunni\'s fighting shites and vice versa, and then you have us in the middle of this thing we created, i honestly don\'t know how we are gonna get out of there without iraq being overrun with terrorists and dictators that would make even saddam at this point look like president carter....