Kramer (Seinfeld show) goes off the deep end

I don\'t agree that "racist is actually ACTING on those beliefs" as you said. Acting on beliefs is not mentioned in the definition you posted above.
 
I\'m not saying "racist" and "prejudiced" are the same word. I\'m saying they have the same severity. I agree with you that they technically have different meanings, and it may have been wrong to call Michael Richards a racist. However, I don\'t understand why you\'re taking such a stand on these words. To me they both have very nasty meanings. You seem to believe that "racist" is worse than "prejudiced." I don\'t see it that way, and I think they are equally bad.
 
These two words are much closer to being synonyms than you seem to think.

[Titan]

I don\'t agree that "racist is actually ACTING on those beliefs" as you said. Acting on beliefs is not mentioned in the definition you posted above.
 
I\'m not saying "racist" and "prejudiced" are the same word. I\'m saying they have the same severity. I agree with you that they technically have different meanings, and it may have been wrong to call Michael Richards a racist. However, I don\'t understand why you\'re taking such a stand on these words. To me they both have very nasty meanings. You seem to believe that "racist" is worse than "prejudiced." I don\'t see it that way, and I think they are equally bad.
 
These two words are much closer to being synonyms than you seem to think.

I see your point. I guess the definitions vary on the person. I\'m not saying prejudices are good or anything but most people hold some form of prejudices.

I honestly don\'t see color when I talk to a person and when people start pulling the race card in situations (not like this but in other situations in the media and personal experiences) I feel just further separates the race boundaries. We are all humans and all have the same natural rights as everyone else. Who really cares if they\'re black, white, asian or hispanic. We\'re all humans that need to survive with each other\'s help.

why are you making such a big deal about what word we call him?

Why are we making such a big deal about what word he called them?

How\'s this for an answer - it\'s over, who gives a f***. No one got hurt, he apologized and karma will be tanking his career moreso than it already was.

It\'s over.

[clips]

^^^tru..no doubt...at the end of the day tho,..it\'s 2006 and nobody should be using that word...i think it\'s well known by now that any racial threads that are detrimental towards afri. americans,..i will most likely speak in defense of the said minority,...it\'s just that it\'s really hard to defend my people\'s when they are callin each other nigga on the regular,...and even tho me and my menz used the word alot back in my youth,....i don\'t use it at all anymore...

i happened to catch the oprah winfrey show awhile back when the movie "crash" was released..*good movie by the way*..:fro:...and they were interviewing the stars associated with the movie...long story short ludacris (spel) was on the show and they "the cast" was talking about how how black folk callin each-other nigga is setting them back, because of what the history is behind the word.....so they asked luda..."are you going to continue to use the "n" word knowing how hurtful and abusing it is?

His response was well when i say it, i don\'t mean it like that, and i\'ll probably continue to use it in my music...:banghead:...this is why we will always have these scenarios,...whether it\'s nigga or nigger,...it shouldn\'t be said at all....Michaels showed his true colors that night and it\'s official..he\'s an a**hole,...but black folk are just making the matter worse and confusing by continuing to greet each other like that...word now is that the afri. americans that were  called those names have some type of lawsuit, for pain and suffering..:rolleyes:....it\'s not that serious..i\'m sure they didn\'t lose sleep over that...

?It should be noted that micheals did perform there again the very next night...with no incidents of course...

^^^tru..no doubt...at the end of the day tho,..it\'s 2006 and nobody should be using that word...i think it\'s well known by now that any racial threads that are detrimental towards afri. americans,..i will most likely speak in defense of the said minority,...it\'s just that it\'s really hard to defend my people\'s when they are callin each other nigga on the regular,...and even tho me and my menz used the word alot back in my youth,....i don\'t use it at all anymore...

i happened to catch the oprah winfrey show awhile back when the movie "crash" was released..*good movie by the way*..:fro:...and they were interviewing the stars associated with the movie...long story short ludacris (spel) was on the show and they "the cast" was talking about how how black folk callin each-other nigga is setting them back, because of what the history is behind the word.....so they asked luda..."are you going to continue to use the "n" word knowing how hurtful and abusing it is?

His response was well when i say it, i don\'t mean it like that, and i\'ll probably continue to use it in my music...:banghead:...this is why we will always have these scenarios,...whether it\'s nigga or nigger,...it shouldn\'t be said at all....Michaels showed his true colors that night and it\'s official..he\'s an a**hole,...but black folk are just making the matter worse and confusing by continuing to greet each other like that...word now is that the afri. americans that were  called those names have some type of lawsuit, for pain and suffering..:rolleyes:....it\'s not that serious..i\'m sure they didn\'t lose sleep over that...

?It should be noted that micheals did perform there again the very next night...with no incidents of course...

Clips the fact is white people should not be worried about how african americans are communicating with eachother. What we say to eachother is between us. Not for another racist of people to try break down how a black person relates to another. And that word is only used with young african americans. It\'s a youth thing anyways. And that does not give white people or whom ever any reason to feel like they have the rite to say or determine if it should be used.

The word has nothing to do with white people. It\'s a term that is used with young blacks more than anything.  How a white person feels they have anything to say about how another race is using a word is beyond me.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Much more fitting. Before you people call anyone a racist, learn what the fucking word means and chill on playing the race card.

Titan, please don\'t try and act intelligent, you\'re only making yourself look more stupid. Perhaps you should just stick to tedius, trite, one-line spam messages.

First of all, what Michael Richards said perfectly fits the description you\'ve just posted.

"Fifty years ago we\'d have you upside down with a f***ing fork up your ass."

Notice how he uses the word "we". This is in obvious reference to the entire white race, or at least those prejudiced against blacks. This is said in reference to a time when those who\'re prejudiced could get away with doing such things to black folk, and is meant to convey obvious consternation at the fact that "they" can no longer do this.

This, if taken literally (and not as the joke that it actually is), is a racist statement. Even by your definition. And if someone were to believe that they are his true feelings on the matter, then he is a racist. By definition.

And as Cored pointed out, the two are so close to being synonymous with eachother that you\'ve wasted everyones time bothering to point it out. The difference being that prejudice isn\'t race specific; one can be prejudiced against women, or vibrators, or some combination of the two (though Lord knows why).

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: \'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
- rac·ist  /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racist


Get a clue before you come in here acting all haughty, as though you know something.

[Bobs_Hardware]

According to the two men who were targeted by the outburst, Frank McBride and Kyle Doss, they were merely ordering drinks after arriving late to the comedy club, and not heckling. The two men, represented by Gloria Allred, are planning on suing Richards in the near future. McBride and Doss also recently appeared on Hannity & Colmes to discuss their version of the incident. The two men did not accept Richards\' apology, with Doss stating “No, I think that apology was totally fake, it was forced. I feel like that was a career move. It wasn’t sincere.” [19]

From wikipedia.

I get the feeling that these two people are going to soon start being looked upon with more disrespect than Richards. To think that his attack was completely unprovoked is too unbelievable. And a lawsuit? Come on..

Clips the fact is white people should not be worried about how african americans are communicating with eachother. What we say to eachother is between us.

Perhaps you only meant in reference to that oh-so-dreaded n word, but that seems like a really terrible attitude to have, and one that will only serve to exacerbate the current racial divide.

after arriving late to the comedy club

no way?!
:rofl:

What we say to eachother is between us.

oh, so you\'re for segregation?

oh, so you\'re for segregation?

Thank you.

All this us versus them talk is just silly. As long as we continue to separate blacks from whites, this will happen. Our black friends in this thread always lead the way in these threads.

Words are just words. Not allowing people to say nigger isn\'t the answer. Treating it for what it actually is in 2006 should be the goal.

Thank you.

All this us versus them talk is just silly. As long as we continue to separate blacks from whites, this will happen. Our black friends in this thread always lead the way in these threads.

Words are just words. Not allowing people to say nigger isn\'t the answer. Treating it for what it actually is in 2006 should be the goal.

Why in this day in age would someone want to call someone else a nigger?

ALso, dont give me that shit that words are just words b/c you know as well as I do that some words carry MUCH more weight than others and can infact hurt and piss people off to no extent.

[Titan]

Clips the fact is white people should not be worried about how african americans are communicating with eachother. What we say to eachother is between us. Not for another racist of people to try break down how a black person relates to another. And that word is only used with young african americans. It\'s a youth thing anyways. And that does not give white people or whom ever any reason to feel like they have the rite to say or determine if it should be used.

The word has nothing to do with white people. It\'s a term that is used with young blacks more than anything.  How a white person feels they have anything to say about how another race is using a word is beyond me.

I think I\'m gonna have to agree with mm and Eik. This sounds like total segregation thing. Why shouldn\'t white people care? We\'re all humans in this society and putting up racial barriers like this is only putting progress back in terms of racism and prejudice.

Whats new?  Quddus has been a racist for quite some time.

Why in this day in age would someone want to call someone else a nigger?

ALso, dont give me that shit that words are just words b/c you know as well as I do that some words carry MUCH more weight than others and can infact hurt and piss people off to no extent.

My point is if you can let go of that baggage, the word is no longer offensive. Let it go and racism dies.

[§ôµÏG®ïñD]

Gezz, and i wasn\'t saying the same thing a few posts ago?!

Words get power because people give it to them. No matter what the word, the only reason it offends is because people give it the power to.



and bob, gezz get a life dood. You think to much into shit.. for f@#K sake man!!

My point is if you can let go of that baggage, the word is no longer offensive. Let it go and racism dies.

I was hoping for someone to say something like this.

While all prominent black ppl dont share this view, many do.

Why do you think black people started using the word nigga? An attempt to take the power away from the word. Only thing that happened form that was latinos using just as much and white ppl crying about why they cant...


If nigger or nigga ceased to exsist as of tomorrow...racism still wouldnt die...dont be naive.