Wii has become a short term gimmick console for me.

Save it from doom?

Pretty sure Wii isn\'t even close to a doom position yet. Pretty sure it\'s doing better than Xbox360 and Ps3 at the moment.

Pretty sure you\'re an idiot.

You\'re a drama queen who overreacts to the word \'doom\' as if  Wii\'s yo momma, so stfu .

" at the moment " ?  There\'s your short term sight right there. hehe

Wii sells because of the extremely low price and the newly interesting approach in controlling games. It doesnt need to have AAA titles to sell like hotcakes.

I ll get a Wii for the new Resident Evil. Other than that it will be more like a party console

[Jumpman]

Wii sells because of the extremely low price and the newly interesting approach in controlling games. It doesnt need to have AAA titles to sell like hotcakes.

I ll get a Wii for the new Resident Evil. Other than that it will be more like a party console

Name a AAA that came out for PS2\'s launch. When you named all zero of them you\'ll know that decent, non mega franchise games really have nothing to do with the sales of a console.

You\'re a drama queen who overreacts to the word \'doom\' as if Wii\'s yo momma, so stfu .

" at the moment " ? There\'s your short term sight right there. hehe

You\'re still an idiot. Don\'t respond or you\'ll get embarrassed.

I can\'t get the exact link, but on G4TV\'s website there is a video under attack of the show. It is called \'IS PS3 doomed\' or something like that. Watch that and one of the insiders says \'There\'s still a possiblity the Wii could be a failure

Possibility is a lose word. It\'s more probably that PS3 will be more of a failure than Wii from a current standpoint. Wii continues to outsell it with literally nothing, Xbox360 is pretty steady as she goes, and PS3 is depending on the franchises to shine some light.

The only thing that the Wii had going for it was the Big 2, the \'that looks cool factor\' aka hype, and price. The Wii is ahead of the PS3 in those 2 categories.

Still ahead, and the games are equal if not better for originality factor. The Wii is the equivalent to the IPOD now. Wii is also leeches the success of Nintendo\'s handheld efforts, which have embarrassed PSP and other consoles alike.

And at launch, PS3 was $500 cheaper then the cheapest blu-ray player. How is that overpriced?

Meant to say DVD player, even then people aren\'t burning their old DVD players to buy em.

I also disagree PS1 and PS2 were dominate because they were \'cool\'. PS1 and PS2 offered the best software of the consoles of their generation, most would agree.

PS1 was the most overrated console in history bar none. The top N64 games manage to outsell the top PSX games even with a 3 to 1 advantage. It did better because it was the new cool. Same with PS2. If the best software was relevant then DC should of been spanking PS2 for the first year. But it didn\'t. It was Sega so it died. Everyone seems to agree that Wii has no software yet its spanking the competition. I guess you could make the argument that DS is humiliating PSP because of software, but PSP is a novelty.

Name a AAA that came out for PS2\'s launch. When you named all zero of them you\'ll know that decent, non mega franchise games really have nothing to do with the sales of a console.

Who talked about franchise games?

PS2 was selling due to fame, high expectations on certain exclusive games and continued to sell greatly because these expected titles were finally being released plus more. Wii is selling for the above reasons I mentioned (which doesnt include the mentioning of mega franchise games).

There is nothing more into it

And that\'s about all I have for today.

you didn\'t keep your word eh

You\'re still an idiot. Don\'t respond or you\'ll get embarrassed.

I respond whenever i like to. Your initial post didn\'t have anything on my argument on this topic, so you\'re the idiotic fool without brains. You embarrassed yourself the moment you came flopping down on earth\'s soil.

Anyway, the points of my initial post still stand (and yes, the word \'doom\' was a slight exaggeration.) You still may want to try, to respond intelligently to those points.

[Jumpman]

you didn\'t keep your word eh

Actually, I responded at 11:55 pm. When the clock hits 12 am typically a new day starts. That\'s usually the way it works.

I respond whenever i like to. Your initial post didn\'t have anything on my argument on this topic, so you\'re the idiotic fool without brains. You embarrassed yourself the moment you came flopping down on earth\'s soil.

You\'ve always been kind of an embarrassing member of console debating. Always one step above the all time greats like rastalant, always putting in random points you\'ve found at ihumpsonyproductsintheass.com. No one ever responds, because no one really wants to put in the time to actually say no, this is how it is, then repeat this process an infinite amount of times.

Anyway, the points of my initial post still stand (and yes, the word \'doom\' was a slight exaggeration.

Exactly, it was a huge exaggeration, and you were completely wrong on all accounts.

When such games arrive, PS3 and Xb360 will actually show us what next gen is all about ; new interactivity through better physics & Ai. Call it.. an evolution since the HL2 era.

From there on, Wii\'s fun factor of it\'s interface innovation, will compare smaller to the fun factor of the true 2nd wave of PS3 & Xb360 games.

That\'s a horrible point, hence why I didn\'t feel the need to argue it. First of all, it\'s pure speculation. These games may never arive. Gears of War is probably as much of an evolution there will be. See DC for reference. Better graphics, better everything, and not much of a difference in fun factor from any other of the 3d systems and look how it COMPLETELY DOMINATED THE FUN FACTOR BECAUSE OF ITS AWESOME POTENTIAL.

You tried to somehow peg the Wii off as a failure way before it could ever being considered one. You lost this argument right there. Wii is dominating, PS3 is struggling to get by. Face reality.

Wii is selling for the above reasons I mentioned

Yeah, I hate interesting new ideas for gaming and low prices. Fuck Nintendo.

Again, you have completely missed points 1 & 2 of my initial post.

Unlike you seem to think, my posts are never 100% pro or against any system. The fact that you think otherwise is indicative of either your lack of comprehension or just your way of interpreting them. ... and yes, we can ask other boardmembers here for opinions on that too.

to quote myself : Wii development has a couple of options to go :

- new games with new ways of using the wii remote interface & better accuracy at that

- quality traditional games which do not necessarily rely upon wii remote mechanics

I see positive points right there, yet you missed them.

Actually, Gmanjoe\'s post rants solely about the Wii and compares 1 single multi platform game to a PS2 version.

Then you jump in (lol) and post " ps3 is a dvd player "

You add nothing... nothing of any relevant counter argument to Gmanjoe\'s rant. You failed.

I merely stated, that due to PS3\'s and Xb360\'s proc power, that physics and Ai will take gaming fun to a next level, thus creating a noticable gap between them and Wii gaming. For fuck sake, go and look up those game titles i mentioned. You might be pleasantly surprised

Clearly, you were over sensitive to the word \'doom\'. And yeah, you may go on now saying that my, or any other person\'s post history " has always been ..blah blah "  ; that\'s your white flag, right there, waving & getting more stale than a white flag can ever be. lol.

[Jumpman]

Those were not positive points. They were blatantly obvious statements. Pointing out the uniqueness of the wii-mote has been done.

 "new games with new ways of using the wii remote interface & better accuracy at that"

...

"quality traditional games which do not necessarily rely upon wii remote mechanics"

...

If I said, "PS3 has the way of...making better games that utilize...its controller!" is not a positive point for PS3.

I didn\'t even read Gman\'s first post. I read the title, I added a joke (which is impossible to call a counter argument roflmao), then responded to this Wii being in doom lolness.

"I merely stated, that due to PS3\'s and Xb360\'s proc power, that physics and Ai will take gaming fun to a next level, thus creating a noticable gap between them and Wii gaming."

Speculative argument, and definitely wrong. Who defines fun for one? And where\'s the breakthrough fun gap between last generation and the one before it? Oh right...there wasn\'t one. SNES-NES? ...if better physics and sounds give you your jollies then don\'t let me stop you!

I don\'t own a white flag. I have one white shirt and it hasn\'t been washed in awhile. Not a good colour on me.

Personally, I can still see Wii tapering off and PS3 slowly building steam.
 
But I could also see the trends holding as they are now.
 
Who knows?
 
But for third parties, I don\'t know... The last three games I bought for Wii were made by Tecmo, Sega and EA, respectively. I\'m currently playing through an UbiSoft game before I get to the new stuff.
 
The next game I buy will be a Nintendo title, Super Paper Mario. But there are other games including one each by EA and Konami that I wish I had gotten to try.
 
Wii third party games are more often worse than they are good, but there are a good number to choose from, and a good number more in development. EA is particularly dedicated to making good games, while UbiSoft jumped out of the gates cashing in on mostly garbage... But the games are coming.
 
Unlikely franchises are popping up too, such as Rockstar\'s Manhunt 2. Capcom has another Resident Evil in the works and, surprise, a remake of RE4 (might be a rumor).
 
I\'ll still be picking up Assassin\'s Creed for the 360, or one might want Lair for PS3, but I think the Wii right now is on track for success.
 
And with Nintendo fan cash cows such as Super Smash Bros. and Sonic & Mario on the way, Nintendo will keep momentum regardless.
 
It\'s looking good for Nintendo for at least another year, in my opinion, and if they keep moving millions of systems, it\'s only going to end up more promising for third parties. Low development costs and a higher user base.
 
But will Nintendo fans continue to buy third party games? This is probably the only hurdle left. Hopefully what they save on development, publishers will spend on marketing.

I have to say great thread. And jumpman really knows hows to come back with a great quip.

Yeah, I hate interesting new ideas for gaming and low prices. Fuck Nintendo.

I love interesting ideas being implemented the right way. Not presenting them there on a gimmickly way on games that are mediocre and uninteresting at best

[Jumpman]

"Not presenting them there on a gimmickly way on games that are mediocre and uninteresting at best"

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. That really didn\'t make sense. Reword it and get back to us.

"Not presenting them there on a gimmickly way on games that are mediocre and uninteresting at best"

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. That really didn\'t make sense. Reword it and get back to us.

Its used uninterestingly, as a gimmick, on games that can be described only as "mediocre".

My apologies for pushing your brain cells too much
*kisses Jumpman*

[Jumpman]

I still don\'t get it.

Blame 3rd parties for failing to do anything special with it.

And PS3 has nothing but mediocre games.

Would you just stop talking please it really does hurt my head.

[GmanJoe]

Oblivion and Resistance are not mediocre. And I like Motorstorm. I buy 1 game per month....and so far, PS3 has been a joy. Oh...and it plays PS2 games as well (playing GOW2 recently).

Wii has Wii Sports. Zelda was a let down. So far, nothing from Wii that makes me say WHEEEE! Mostly...."Oh, that was fun. But is that all?"