Wii has become a short term gimmick console for me.

[GmanJoe]

Wii Sports rules all. But that\'s about it.

Tiger Woods game is subpar to the PS2 version and its menu system was made by a retard. I think it\'ll ask you up to three times "Are you sure you want to save?"

I bought Wario Ware for my wife\'s cousins to play with while we were at the beach. The 5 second mini-games are for people with extreme ADD. Though some games were funny, 5 second intervals is stupid IMO. Definitely for the party only, stay away from this game if you\'re a basement dwelling soloist.

WarioWare has always been like that.

Though I agree that the Wii has been given very gimmicky software so far.

Give it time.

[GmanJoe]

I\'ve heard developers have had to wait as much as 3 months for the developer\'s kits. Just how many companies are making games for the Wii? Jeebus.

I haven\'t played it yet to vouch for it, but apparently the Godfather is a great example of a fully fleshed out game with innovative controls.
 
I know the base game was generic, but they\'ve added variety and missions on top of the controls, so it has the potential to live up to the hype some Wii fans have given it.

my neighbor says his kids are sick of wii sports and haven\'t touched it in a week.  perhaps when some more games come out.

where are you, third party?

It\'s the remote issues that kills it as an idea for me.  It\'s a neat idea, but you need to really be able to almost perfectly read the position of the remote to work with games in a precise manner, as is critiqued in that article.

[Jumpman]

ps3 is a dvd player

can it play my cds though?  and it better have that damn virtual light machine that changes with the beat, it\'s the 90s for pete\'s sake

[GmanJoe]

Wii and music CDs don\'t mix. Sorry.

where are you, third party?

The top reason I haven\'t got a Wii yet.  Nintendo has the best first party titles but that can only go so far in my book.

After I\'m done with Mario Party, and Super Mario Galaxy there isn\'t much left besides various Mario spinoffs. (I\'m not too interested in Metroid, Zelda or Smash Bros.)

I just can\'t bring myself to spend $250 for 2 games that will probably end up not being that great.  A motion controller is great fun but it doesnt justify $250.  I\'ll definity pick it up when it drops below $200 though.

You may ask why did I throw $600 to Sony when they have a very small game library right now,  just like Nintendo.

Well the answer is when I bought a PS3 I\'m buying into the Sony brand which means the greatest variety of games and the best 3rd party developer support.  If you look at it the PS3, Wii and 360 will all resemble the last generation of consoles.  If you didnt like the Gamecube,  you won\'t like the Wii.  If you liked the Gamecube,  you\'ll like the Wii  Same thing with the Xbox/360 and PS2/PS3

Its the same reason why I left Nintendo after the SNES.  The 64 just lacked great 3rd party games unlike the PS1.  I remember not renting the 64 because it had no games.  So I rented the PS1 and once I played all its great games the rest was history.... Same idea was true with the Gamecube and PS2.

For Nintendo to get me and I\'m sure others to buy their consoles sooner they need to:

- release a standalone full fledged Mario and Zelda game every 2 years,  not every 5 years

- Create a new franchise or something.  Stop making Mario spinoffs and start working on the next ratchet and clank or crash bandicoot killer.  Mario and Zelda\'s gameplay hasn\'t changed in decades.  They\'re both still save the princess and jump on goomba and kill gandorf.  For crying out loud,  Mario is becoming so over used and recycled that they\'ve put him in space now,  almost like a bad horror movie looking for some fresh plot

Don\'t get me wrong,  I\'m sure I\'ll enjoy the new Mario,  but the writing is on the wall.  Nintendo needs a new franchise.  Sony is creating new franchises all the time with God of War,  Getaway etc.  Nintendo needs to follow or be left behind.

- Increase 3rd party games.  Last on the list but certainly not the least important.  Nintendo may have hurt them selves in making the Wii so weak.  Alot of developers may not be able to or want to port their game to it becaus eof the wide difference in power.

Right now the Wii is running on Hype and we all know hype dies down after a while.  Nintendo did what they had to do in desgining the Wii to survive this generation,  but if they want to get to that next step and seriously challenge MS and Sony they are going to have to follow my 3 points of advice.

Wii development has a couple of options to go :

- new games with new ways of using the wii remote interface & better accuracy at that

- quality traditional games which do not necessarily rely upon wii remote mechanics

- wii games with extremely spot on physics play & visual effects combining that with at least reasonable graphics.

The last item is something which, i think, PS3 & Xb360 will walk away with while Wii will struggle since it lacks the speed to power games like Star Wars : The Force Unleashed (Euphoria engine), Assassin\'s Creed etc.

When such games arrive, PS3 and Xb360 will actually show us what next gen is all about ; new interactivity through better physics & Ai. Call it.. an evolution since the HL2 era.

From there on, Wii\'s fun factor of it\'s interface innovation, will compare smaller to the fun factor of the true 2nd wave of PS3 & Xb360 games.

Of course, the low Wii pricepoint will save it from doom.

[Jumpman]

Save it from doom?

Pretty sure Wii isn\'t even close to a doom position yet. Pretty sure it\'s doing better than Xbox360 and Ps3 at the moment.

Pretty sure you\'re an idiot.

Jumpman,  the problem is alot of industry watchers are seriously wondering if the Wii is going to hit a brick wall.

Remember the Dreamcast?  Stores couldnt order enough,  just like the Wii today until,  as a Sega employee said, "Things just shut down"  True,  it was the PS2 that had a big part in killing the Dreamcast. The only reason why the PS3 didn\'t give the Wii the same fate is because of price.  Price and the Wii-Mote saved the Wii.  Nintendo did what they had to do to survive like I mentioned earlier.

 One major worry is that the only real upgrade of the system is the motion controller.

The motion controller is great but is it going to keep people interested for the next 5-6 years until the next Nintendo Console?

The problem is when I look at the Wii I see the Nintendo Gamecube with a motion controller.  Not much more or less.  

But the motion controller is a huge +.  Because of it the Wii will do better then the Gamecube but how much better?  I don\'t know yet.  

Knotter8 makes a good point about the price.  I seriously doubt Wii would be selling better then the 360 or PS3 if it didn\'t cost half as much.  At such a low price people can simply say,  "That looks cool" and buy it.  How much longer until the \'that looks cool\' wears off and people buy the Wii for the games?

I\'ve heard alot about PS3 games sucking but after looking at the Wii games at the store it doesnt seem to be fairing much better.

Again,  the top 2 reasons for the Wii\'s success have to be price and the \'looks fun\' factor.  How long will those 2 factors keep the Wii selling like it is?  If Nintendo wants to keep the pace up they need to get on the ball and not repeat the mistakes of the Gamecube.

[Jumpman]

which watchers are these?

The only reason why the PS3 didn\'t give the Wii the same fate is because of price. Price and the Wii-Mote saved the Wii. Nintendo did what they had to do to survive like I mentioned earlier.

PS3 had nothing going for it when it came out besides being an overpriced blue-ray player. Wii had everything going for it when it came out. Biiiiiiiig difference.

such a low price people can simply say, "That looks cool" and buy it. How much longer until the \'that looks cool\' wears off and people buy the Wii for the games?

PS1-2 made its living off being the cool console. Guess two generations is your answer.

And that\'s about all I have for today.

which watchers are these?


PS3 had nothing going for it when it came out besides being an overpriced blue-ray player. Wii had everything going for it when it came out. Biiiiiiiig difference.


PS1-2 made its living off being the cool console. Guess two generations is your answer.

And that\'s about all I have for today.

I can\'t get the exact link,  but on G4TV\'s website there is a video under attack of the show.  It is called \'IS PS3 doomed\' or something like that.  Watch that and one of the insiders says \'There\'s still a possiblity the Wii could be a failure\'

The only thing that the Wii had going for it was the Big 2,  the \'that looks cool factor\' aka hype,  and price.  The Wii is ahead of the PS3 in those 2 categories.  And at launch,  PS3 was $500 cheaper then the cheapest blu-ray player.  How is that overpriced?

I also disagree PS1 and PS2 were dominate because they were \'cool\'.  PS1 and PS2 offered the best software of the consoles of their generation,  most would agree.