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U.S. bans 4 types of seafood from China..
« on: June 30, 2007, 01:53:39 AM »
It\'s about time, these cats are shovin\' all of this crap in their seafood and the u.s. citizens are consumin\' this stuff by the boatloads....


http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/06/29/china.seafood.ap/index.html



"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced Thursday it would detain three types of fish -- catfish, basa and dace -- as well as shrimp and eel after repeated testing turned up contamination with drugs unapproved in the United States for use in farmed seafood"



"The action comes amid a slew of consumer alerts by U.S. federal regulators over lead paint in Chinese-made toy trains, defective tires from the eastern city of Hangzhou, and imported Chinese toothpaste made with diethylene glycol, a toxic ingredient more commonly found in antifreeze"


Somebody tell me why we are importing toothpaste? S**t is ridiculous....this is why we have these types of problems...the U.S. imports everything and nothing is made here anymore....then whatever is made here they want to pay the average american  a crap salary which is why Big Business in America doesn\'t want the gov\'t to crack down on illegals workin\' for cheap labor in this country....
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2007, 05:33:06 AM »
blame your typical american worker for jobs leaving this country.
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2007, 06:28:58 AM »
Why should the typical american worker be blamed and not corporations moving to cheap developing countries for lower costs?

Or the hiring of cheap economic immigrants in the US

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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2007, 09:15:39 AM »
we import stuff because of opportunity cost. It costs us a lot more to make toothpaste than it does for them to make it, because we could be making other things that are more...not really important but more technological (still not the best word). Obviously corporations getting stuff cheaper is one reason but that is why our government trades. And its also why we import A LOT of stuff because everyone elses opportunity cost is lower than ours in a lot of different goods.

we can pretty much out produce everyone in everything. Even things like more rice than china and japan combined. but it still comes down to whoever has the lower opportunity cost makes the good and trades it with us, who makes something else that we have the lowest opportunity cost with.

As for the topic..im not sure why the U.S. decided to do the ban, but after the toothpaste and the dog food, China\'s production should be under a lot of scrutiny. can understand why China\'s fish dude is pissed but he has to understand.

I dont get mm\'s comment either. its actually been a while since he\'s made one of those ambiguous, 5 word posts
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2007, 12:33:01 PM »
why do you think the american auto industry went to shit and japan took over despite the huge import tarrifs?

your average american worker is lazy, and demands more money for less work or they go on strike.
your average japanese worker is just happy to have a job, and is proud to do it.  there is an honor is their labor.
watch "gung ho" sometime.

this also applies to most other fields of industry, especially computer programming.
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2007, 03:29:30 PM »
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why do you think the american auto industry went to shit and japan took over despite the huge import tarrifs?

your average american worker is lazy, and demands more money for less work or they go on strike.
your average japanese worker is just happy to have a job, and is proud to do it.  there is an honor is their labor.
watch "gung ho" sometime.

this also applies to most other fields of industry, especially computer programming.

 The individualism in the US is a result of the nation\'s capitalistic environment . Its a part of the consumerism, built slowly by those that have economic power and rule the country

 They want workers to feel individuals, to be extremely competitive with each other in order to reduce their union power. There is also huge distance between a company\'s interests and that of a workers. US\'s capitalism brought this upon their selves.

 Multinational corporations move to underdeveloped countries for cheap workers. Products happen to be produced in cheaper prices. It is not the US worker\'s fault if there are cheaper workers who will work hard for some dimes extremely long hours in Africa, India or China, and the US companies based in US wants to cut up their salaries, benefits and increase their working hours to remain competitive

 Unlike the US, in Japan although there is distance between supervisors and subordinates, they are better at aligning the company\'s interests and the workers\'. The distance is translated to respect. There is mutual interest and dedication. Japanese are competitive in a mutual manner not in an individualistic manner.

 US based multinational corporations would LOVE to tear apart the US workers and dispose of them in case there is someone cheaper like immigrants that will work under any circumstances. How can so much different interests between company interests and workers, as well as between workers themselves help?

 Also Japan went through some years of deflation and low interests as well bringing down prices.
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2007, 11:54:26 PM »
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this also applies to most other fields of industry, especially computer programming.



if you went to school for programming and you finish the course, you should be paid the proper salary for a programmer which when i used to live in jersey some years ago was around 40,000 - 45,000 for somebody just graduating from school....but big businesses want to transfer all of their programming duties to india and parts of brazil...all because they don\'t want to paytheir employess their salary which is fair for the field they are in....

The company i\'m workin\' for now played with the thought of outsourcing our job to brazil, but scrapped it when they heard that they would need to have full access to our systems if they ran into any problems....it\'s bulls**t...they jump through hoops to cut wages and to find ways to avoid payin\' american employees a fair salary, but then at the end of the year they give their CEO\'s million dollar bonuses without hesitation....


My point? if i went to school in IT for a high payin\' job i should receive that salary for that field period.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2007, 12:13:32 AM »
yea, our problems dont stem from laziness. that\'d be grossly simplifying it..plus as a whole, i dont think we\'re lazy. Granted we definitly dont all take pride in our work like other countries seem to. but, to me, that\'s a cultural difference.

The problem is what clips brought up
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2007, 06:18:14 PM »
Yeah actually judging from what I ve heard, Americans seem very dedicated to personal career and unlike many European countries (like Greece and Cyprus) where people prefer to sit in the public sector to work few hours in a secure job with a relatively inflated salary they prefer to risk a lot more in jobs in the private sector.

They start working from young ages, they are willing to sacrifice benefits and work overtime (even if extra hours is unpaid), their yearly allowed days seem to get compressed etc etc.

But there is a limit in these "sacrifices" and their demands are in logical levels. The workers have every right to complain because corporations are doing their best to reduce their rights as workers. They are going as far as to use private contracts to force their own terns with employee\'s so they wouldnt have any word on their rights. mm\'s argument sounds more like the arguments of half truths these corporations and their Republican right wing allies bring on purpose.
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2007, 10:46:24 PM »
And yet they let all kinds of other horrible, cancer-causing crap to be produced by the billions every year. This country is approaching 70% overweight/obese for the entire population. Even kids are now on an epidemic of obesity and Type II Diabetes and all kinds of other diet related problems from fat ass parents teaching them bad eating habits. The contaminated fish are the least of our problems.

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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2007, 12:17:18 AM »
Thats what corporations wanted and tried to slowly force it into the consumer. The consumers didnt wake up one day and decided to eat junk food, and become fat. This wanst a need.

It was a gradually created "need".

Its a slow process, also helped by their allies in the government. They allow their existence, they allow their marketing, they allow vague information, they exploit the need of the citizen of something cheap and easy, they exploit the fact that parents spend less time with their children due to too much work, which as a result leaves children victims of the media, corporations know this and that parents want to spend time with their children so they create the appropriate marketing making parents also victims, quality food products are more costy to produce thus less produced and less consumed compared to unhealthy mutated and processed food etc etc.

 The American citizen isnt born stupid or naive. He/she is made. And those that are not are forced to adapt and they arent happy about it.
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2007, 03:58:29 AM »
they allowed themselves to become that way.

you can\'t "force" someone to be fat and lazy.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2007, 01:59:09 AM »
Yes you can. It is the politicians and multinational corporations greatest achievement to force social groups indirectly, slowly, unnoticeably, and unconsciously into certain behaviors and beliefs.

One of these stupid beliefs that flies in America is the illusionary impression of "freedom", that "people know whats good for them" and that "people always have their own choices to make"

I don\'t know about you, but I ve never heard McDonalds (or any other fast food restaurant) say how unhealthy their food is, how bad it is for people to consume it occasionally.

According to them they are the most tasty food, the best place to eat at, nutritious....oh and they ve got presents for kids too!!!! Welcome to the beautiful world of McDonalds. Ronald McDonald loves you......he doesnt love your money...he loves your health...therefore he will tell to your kids how much better Popeye\'s spinach, or their mother\'s naturally cooked dinner is than a Big Macfilled with preservatives, fries with beef traces cooked in oil in which hundreds of previous kg of potatoes were cooked in etc.

This is the power of marketing.

Target kids the easy victims of fun and happy thoughts, not followers of logic and you will have customers for a life time.

The appearance of such fast food restaurants and other highly processed products demolish anything more natural, environment friendly and healthy. Simply the latter cant compete in terms of taste, advertisement, cost and expenses to create an "illusionary" customer friendly environment. Not to mention exclusive deals with other corporations. Unless they sacrifice these three qualities (environment friendly, natural an unhealthy).

So how many choices are there? Fast food restaurants that exist anywhere you turn your head to? Or the healthier more expensive slower to ready food, which is slowly disappearing since it is not profitable due to higher costs?

I ve many times happened to watch a few American channels through satellite/cable and I was amazed by the "spectacles and bread" the viewer is being bombarded everyday. Especially young children. The country is one huge land of consumerism. Morals and values become tools to promote consumption and profitability. If everything you eat, read, watch, listen to, is controlled by economic efficiency or otherwise businessmen, they get deeper into the skin of the American citizen through each new generation introduced. They grow with them.

And really how many hours do you work mm?
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2007, 02:30:39 AM »
You should move to America.
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2007, 06:25:19 AM »
nothing you said uni makes people lazy.  it is their actions alone that dictates their lifestyle, weight, or health.

it\'s like smoking cigarettes, no sane person believes that are not bad for them regardless of any marketing.
yet they continue to smoke.  the marlboro man looks so pleasant, doesn\'t he?

i typically work 40 hours a week, sometimes a few more if i have to stay late for a client request, but my company gives comp time :)

how old are you uni?  i was once rebellious too and convinced myself we live in a policed state, not the illusion of democracy.
that big brother pulls our strings through taxes and thrives off the social security scheme, killing us off before we see a dime in return.
then i got a bit older and realized it doesn\'t matter.
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