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Offline Nolaws
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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2007, 03:07:10 AM »
If by "ok" you mean resize and resample all your audio and texture to save some little space and have the software/hardware do the uncompress all that stuff.. developers spend time and effort to squeeze all this data and they probably even have to cut stuff from the final product to make sure it can all fit in the 10 years old media.
can\'t see why not!

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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2007, 03:30:35 AM »
Who said it was "ok"? I must of missed that part. I don\'t think anyone here is defending the choice to use the DVD medium, but instead pointing out some faults all around. Not to mention, this topic got a bit off-topic when Clowd made a comment about MS having no faith in the HD DVD format due to not including it in an Elite model.
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2007, 06:37:23 AM »
clowd is but a few Sony supporters compared to the legions of Sony haters everywhere. I think I\'m a bigger PS3 fan than clowd coz I hate the 360 way worse than anyone I know.

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« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2007, 07:50:19 AM »
hehe its funny that we had similar discussions with almost identical arguments about the necessity of bigger storage format in the PS2 vs DC days. It is today common knowledge that DVD was a necessity after all.

The same might count in the future for bigger storage than DVD9. PCs may not have a problem for a long time since they install and extract data on your HDD but the same doesnt count that much for consoles.

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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2007, 09:27:39 AM »
Microsoft might have considered putting an HD format drive in the 360, but instead they released the product a year earlier and at a lower price.  To meet those business needs and get the product to market, it would have been impossible to include an HD drive.
 
They used the suppliers and technology they had available at the time they developed the product.  I don\'t know why you people are even arguing about this.
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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2007, 01:46:44 PM »
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hehe its funny that we had similar discussions with almost identical arguments about the necessity of bigger storage format in the PS2 vs DC days. It is today common knowledge that DVD was a necessity after all.

The same might count in the future for bigger storage than DVD9. PCs may not have a problem for a long time since they install and extract data on your HDD but the same doesnt count that much for consoles.

What? You are somehow blaming the format for the failure of the DC? The only argument that could even half-way be made is that the GD-ROM killed the DC due to piracy , but it had nothing to do with the fact that the GD-ROM storage wasn\'t enough.

You need to go back and check your facts on exactly why the DC failed. You\'ll see that it had nothing to do with the lack of storage. Fact is, when the DC was at it\'s height, games were looking better than most PS2 games. So, if you want to compare formats and how a format has hurt a company, look at Nintendo at the cartridge format back in the N64 games. Now that was a time when a format really hurt a system. Not the DC though, not even close.

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Microsoft might have considered putting an HD format drive in the 360, but instead they released the product a year earlier and at a lower price. To meet those business needs and get the product to market, it would have been impossible to include an HD drive.

They used the suppliers and technology they had available at the time they developed the product. I don\'t know why you people are even arguing about this.

Exactly. And if MS had decided to put in an HD drive and charged an extra $200 - $300, the board would of been flooded with posts saying MS was crazy for charging $600 for a console.

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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2007, 08:30:49 PM »
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Evil? It\'s business, you act as if HD DVD will bring the end of the world. They are no more evil than Sony was for forcing users to own a BLU RAY machine if they want a PS3. Evil? No. Business? Yes


Good business is promoting a product to put money in your pocket.  Evil business is promoting a product just to test out codecs on it and hopefully the possibility of stalling a new format from replacing an old one so you can replace the old one with your own technology that is not ready yet at the expense of the public.

I don\'t get how you can say Sony forced a BD drive on us.  What did you expect them to use,  DVD?  If Microsoft \'forced\' things on us like the HD-DVD drive maybe their systems would last longer than 4 years.

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When have you been critical of Sony?


Many occasions.  Currently I think Sony made a big mistake in making 2 versions of the PS3.  Hopefully the 60GB will dissappear soon and they will only sell the 80GB for here on out.  But sadly they throw  a cheaper 40GB console in their for you whiney brats.  $100 more than the Elite and you get so much freakin\' more and all you want to do is cry.  Then the next day you go buy $500 aluminum heads for your car to go a tenth of a second faster.  After that you spend who knows how much making your car look like a 2fast2furious reject.  Don\'t bug me about the PS3\'s price because of bluray.  If you want to get a PS3,  and you aren\'t a minium wage bum,  you can get one eventually if you only wanted to.  Anyways,  the 360 is such an utter complete ripoff,  even compared to Sony\'s high European price Microsoft charges WAY too much for every little stinkin\' add on to that chippy console.  You can easily spend $200 just to make your Premium 360 have wireless internet and a HDD bigger than what computers had 15 years ago.  Crap,  even the PS2 hadd a bigger HDD.  CRAP,  some 360s don\'t even got a HDD.  They make you buy $60 memory cards for just what,  64 MBS OF SPACE?!  What a friggin rip off thats a rip off.  Call blu-ray and ps3 a ripoff but you let BS like that slide how freain\' pathetic!

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I hold no allegiance to any company. I will say that MS messed up by not including the HD DVD drive from the start. I will say that Sony messed up with a high launch price and no decent games. I will say that Nintendo messed up by under-powering the Wii in the long term. All you keep doing is spreading the word and gossip of Sony.


Microsoft and Sony had no way out of what you said.  HD-DVD wasn\'t ready when Microsoft rushed the X-Flop to the stores.  It cost Sony $850 to make one PS3.  And their game library is no worst then the 360\'s was at launch.  Yet all of you rushed to it like a dog to it\'s vomit then you want to ridicule me for buying a PS3.  HYPOCRITE!
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It\'s not doing great, but a deathbed is bit premature. Still, I would say that neither format is exactly standing out to the mainstream people. I know plenty of people who have a PS3 and don\'t buy BLU RAY films. Until price comes down and a compelling reason to buy into the HD market, neither format will truly take off.



The best way to describe HD-DVD is that it\'s got AIDS.  It\'s gonna die only thing they can do is try to keep it on life support as long as possible.  Microsoft just loves that .  Friggin\' pricks.  Supporting the underdog for their own selfish reasons.  Fabulous.  And the formats dont need to take off for one to die.  HD-DVD is bbeing outsold 3-1 and soon 4-1.  Who is going to support crap like that? 30GB vs 50GB it never was a wore it was a slaughter

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RPG\'s almost always take up multi-discs. Not surprised. Does it really hurt anyone to switch discs?

Halo 3 being three discs, the third disc will be extra features and what not. Can\'t really count that.


I haven\'t played an RPG in 8 years (PS1 FF8) that had multiple discs.  I never played a PS2 game that had multiple discs.  Don\'t give me that crap man.  And yeah it hurts to switch discs.  Why should we have to get up and switch discs when there is technology available to delete that?  Why should we?  I\'m sure the developer hates putting their data across multiple discs as well.  And Hal 3 being 2 and 3 discs is going to blow so bad.  If it was on PS3 it would be just 1 disc.  Crap,  they could fit 2 Halo 3s in a 50Gig BD.  It\'s gonna blow so bad having to change discs to play single player and then multiplayer.  Crap!
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2007, 08:35:58 PM »
god ur annoying. Even in the "paragraph" that you are critical of sony, you are critical about the stupidest thing and quickly switch to bitching about MS.
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2007, 11:39:55 PM »
Clowd\'s drivel annoys me.  Its not that i\'m a rabid microsoft fan (the death rate of Xbox360\'s scare me away from getting one) I just don\'t see how someone can be so blindly faithful to a company they have no stock in.

Oh and learn how to compose an intelligent argument because you sound like you are about 7 years old which completely nullifies any actual point you have.  Case in point...

"What a friggin rip off thats a rip off. Call blu-ray and ps3 a ripoff but you let BS like that slide how freain\' pathetic!"   :banghead:

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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2007, 11:55:48 PM »
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minium wage bum


Honestly, if part of your argument for Sony and the PS3 price is that people that don\'t make above "minium wage" are bums, then I can\'t really talk to you.

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Microsoft and Sony had no way out of what you said. HD-DVD wasn\'t ready when Microsoft rushed the X-Flop to the stores


"X-Flop"? Hate to remind you that MS is fairly succesful in the US.

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Microsoft and Sony had no way out of what you said. HD-DVD wasn\'t ready when Microsoft rushed the X-Flop to the stores. It cost Sony $850 to make one PS3. And their game library is no worst then the 360\'s was at launch. Yet all of you rushed to it like a dog to it\'s vomit then you want to ridicule me for buying a PS3. HYPOCRITE!


No one rushed to it. No one even mentioned the library for launch games. You need to stay on topic or no bother at all. The closest mention would be someone saying that right now the PS3 library is anemic compared to the CURRENT 360 library.

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Crap, even the PS2 hadd a bigger HDD. CRAP, some 360s don\'t even got a HDD.


Uhm? Kinda like how Sony had people buy the HD that was barely supported at all? Not sure why you brought up the PS2\'s HD when it was an obvious weak point to compare.

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I haven\'t played an RPG in 8 years (PS1 FF8) that had multiple discs. I never played a PS2 game that had multiple discs. Don\'t give me that crap man. And yeah it hurts to switch discs. Why should we have to get up and switch discs when there is technology available to delete that? Why should we? I\'m sure the developer hates putting their data across multiple discs as well. And Hal 3 being 2 and 3 discs is going to blow so bad. If it was on PS3 it would be just 1 disc. Crap, they could fit 2 Halo 3s in a 50Gig BD. It\'s gonna blow so bad having to change discs to play single player and then multiplayer. Crap!


Yes, because switching discs will kill you.

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The best way to describe HD-DVD is that it\'s got AIDS. It\'s gonna die only thing they can do is try to keep it on life support as long as possible. Microsoft just loves that . Friggin\' pricks. Supporting the underdog for their own selfish reasons. Fabulous. And the formats dont need to take off for one to die. HD-DVD is bbeing outsold 3-1 and soon 4-1. Who is going to support crap like that? 30GB vs 50GB it never was a wore it was a slaughter


You use AIDS as part of your analogy. I mean, what are you five years old? It\'s a tasteless immature thing to do.

This whole thing can be summed up.....

Until you can make a post that holds a decent debate, WITHOUT offending peolpe who don\'t make much money or may have HIV / AIDS, then maybe you should step back and take a reality check.
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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2007, 03:09:39 AM »
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What? You are somehow blaming the format for the failure of the DC? The only argument that could even half-way be made is that the GD-ROM killed the DC due to piracy , but it had nothing to do with the fact that the GD-ROM storage wasn\'t enough.

You need to go back and check your facts on exactly why the DC failed. You\'ll see that it had nothing to do with the lack of storage. Fact is, when the DC was at it\'s height, games were looking better than most PS2 games. So, if you want to compare formats and how a format has hurt a company, look at Nintendo at the cartridge format back in the N64 games. Now that was a time when a format really hurt a system. Not the DC though, not even close.
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Oh my god talk about making assumptions out of anything!!

My post has nothing to do with DC\'s failure!!

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« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2007, 09:42:52 AM »

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« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2007, 10:30:29 AM »
you\'re officially a joke and will never be taken seriously. congrats
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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2007, 10:33:35 AM »
Clowd needs to be banned just from being retarded

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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2007, 01:33:10 PM »
Quote from: Unicron!
*slaps head*

Oh my god talk about making assumptions out of anything!!

My post has nothing to do with DC\'s failure!!

:laughing:


You said we learned from the DC that the DVD was a nessecity and it simply wasn\'t.
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