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« Reply #105 on: June 10, 2008, 05:25:38 AM »
Unicron, what I think they want to hear you say is, instead of saying "the jews are not innocent", you should say something along these lines: "The jews that perform crimes aren\'t any better than the nazi\'s."
Although I think it was obvious that that is what you ment, they clearly didn\'t.

so,
all jews <--> nazi\'s = not the same

jews using the holocaust to get away with their own crimes <--> nazi\'s = just as bad (or, at the least, comparable)



edit: damn, too late with this, now it seems obvious :(
« Last Edit: June 10, 2008, 05:26:52 AM by politiepet »
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« Reply #106 on: June 10, 2008, 05:26:54 AM »
I think we should label every race or country guilty of horrendous crimes for all future crimes equally. Ignoring the circumstances of the "crimes" of course. You know what could happen in 2060? Everyone in Cyprus cuts off their genitals and shoves them down the throats of everyone in Holland. That\'s fucking awful man. And you can\'t say it won\'t happen because you can\'t prove it. Therefore...Cyprus=Jews=Nazi\'s. I hope we\'re all the same page.

And politiepet you\'re sig is offensive and inappropriate. Racer is an astronaut compared to you.
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« Reply #107 on: June 10, 2008, 05:32:09 AM »
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I think we should label every race or country guilty of horrendous crimes for all future crimes equally. Ignoring the circumstances of the "crimes" of course. You know what could happen in 2060? Everyone in Cyprus cuts off their genitals and shoves them down the throats of everyone in Holland. That\'s fucking awful man. And you can\'t say it won\'t happen because you can\'t prove it. Therefore...Cyprus=Jews=Nazi\'s. I hope we\'re all the same page.


Of course that\'s not what were implying. I believe it was two threads ago when I said we should therefore look at each case individually, and not be blinded by acts from the past as is happening with the holocaust. We should remember it to not forget how horrible any criminal act can be, regardless of who performs it.
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i hope they all get aids and die they should bnt tbbe having sezx with just anyone they should be in love if theay are foing to have sex not just to make money I htink its wrong for them to just have sexzx for the fun of it specially when some of the performancs are married, its just wrong. tey are givng out deaseases to anyone and its just not right i tell you i think its really really wrong specially when tey have sex i dot whach porno though so im not sure what they do i dont theink theyr realy hjave sex its all just pretendnig but you never no what they do its just wrong speciallly when they dont even love each other its wrong i ell you in tsi just wrong. wtings owting wtrong wtongs wtongs. i dont like it. prlease explaions.

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« Reply #108 on: June 10, 2008, 05:42:19 AM »
On a scale of one to ten...how many times were you dropped on your head as an infant?
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« Reply #109 on: June 10, 2008, 05:45:42 AM »
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Thats not what I am implying! I am stating clearly that the holocaust is being viewed as the biggest and most tragic event in history when paradoxically there are crimes today that do not get the same attention. Ironically some of which Israel is doing and are excused as a self defense by terrorists or ignored! I dont see anybody here or anyone else getting sensitive about this or showing the same annoyance. Are they doing anything less immoral? Less criminous?



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oh I forgot to say how it\'s relevant to the original topic. In the video the black people attacked the (I assume) jewish kid, saying that the holocaust wasn\'t so bad, because there have been many more genocidal acts that are equally bad. The point made is: While downplaying the holocaust is of course horrendous, the point that is made about its significants relevant to other genocidal acts being overexaggerated is a true one. A point that you, rightly, consider to be as true as the fact that "the sky is blue".



I understood what these guys were sayin\' before, but here they are explaining it again....seriously...i\'m trying to understand why some people aren\'t understanding what uni & politie are saying?....the whole they are not innocent argument?....i\'m still not really sure what people want him to say,..so here\'s my two cents on what i think is going on.

The whole they are not innocent statement and uni linking that,.. is i\'m assuming to israel, now back in 1942 or whenever the holocaust happened, did the jews back then do anything inhumane or perform any horriffic acts to constitute what happened to them back then?....this is something that i don\'t know,...now if the jews have not done anything of that matter back then, then yea, i can agree with people in here disputing uni\'s post,...if they were just a peace loving people and have committed no crimes at all then uni\'s post is faulty.

Now what i understand is that uni was connecting his statement to the current country of israel since he did say "see israel"...so the comment was made to directly link israel in terms in what they are doing today...and even tho they go back and forth with the pals,..i\'ve heard of some disturbing stories of how israel have attacked syria on numerous occassions only because they suspected that they were sending weapons over the border or suspected of engaging in some kind of suspicious activity.

And let\'s be truly honest here... today israel does those type of things because they know that the u.s. has their back,...the u.s. suspects that iran is sending weapons over the border but you don\'t see them bombing iran do you?...israel bombs syria because they suspect something? and gets away with it? those are some of the things that i can agree in relation to the "they are not innocent" remark....
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« Reply #110 on: June 10, 2008, 05:59:19 AM »
Yeah bombing a country that has repeatedly threatened your borders is just as bad as enslaving a race and attempting to execute every one of them. Thanks for clearing that up clips. I\'m with Unicron on this one.
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« Reply #111 on: June 10, 2008, 06:03:08 AM »
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The whole they are not innocent statement and uni linking that,.. is i\'m assuming to israel,

now back in 1942 or whenever the holocaust happened, did the jews back then do anything inhumane or perform any horriffic acts to constitute what happened to them back then?....


They did not. Since the Roman times, the Jews have been scattered throughout Europe and Russia and Africa and the Middle East. They\'d been trying to unite since then.

WWI, the Germans lost. Hitler blamed the Jews. Hitler becomes Germany\'s Furor (leader) and starts persecuting the Jews. Jewish people who were German citizens for generations. They\'re hauled into concentration camps.

This is where Unic mistakenly included "...it\'s not like they (Jews) were innocent" while in the subject of WW2 Holocaust. How the current events of today\'s Jews makes the Jews of the past deserving of the holocaust of WW2 is astounding.

After that remark by Unic, hilarity ensues as Unic tries and fails to ward off the onslaught. Politie tries to mediate but fails to realize that WE are not saying the holocaust is the worst of the worst, we\'re just ridiculing Unic for making a stupid comment.

We all make stupid comments and will admit fault. Instead, he says WE are at fault for misunderstanding him. That\'s not true.
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« Reply #112 on: June 10, 2008, 06:08:11 AM »
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Unicron, what I think they want to hear you say is, instead of saying "the jews are not innocent", you should say something along these lines: "The jews that perform crimes aren\'t any better than the nazi\'s."
Although I think it was obvious that that is what you ment, they clearly didn\'t.

so,
all jews <--> nazi\'s = not the same

jews using the holocaust to get away with their own crimes <--> nazi\'s = just as bad (or, at the least, comparable)



edit: damn, too late with this, now it seems obvious :(
Yeah you are perfectly right about that. Thats why I tried to clarify and explained what I wanted to say later. But instead they are stuck on that sentence no matter what.

They are telling me that my fault was that I meant they deserved it, while my fault was not putting it in the right words to be more clear. The latter I can accept it as a mistake. But not the first because thats not what I supported.

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Actually you did.

"Jews are not innocent."

In a discussion about the holocaust.

That\'s extremely specific. If it wasn\'t, not everyone would of taken offense to it.
Correction. The sentence "Jews are not innocent" sounds specific, but it is short and therefore can be ambiguous depending on the way you see it.

You did not see a specific statement saying "Jews are not innocent they did this and that to the Germans therefore the Nazis did well and the Jews deserved it". Nowhere.

But this?

"black people [SIZE="6"]need to be slaves.[/SIZE] I mean, their crime rate is outrageous, so, they aren\'t innocent."
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« Reply #113 on: June 10, 2008, 06:11:18 AM »
You\'re in no position to correct any one. You after all, are the one who started this whole mess.

And you\'re just splitting hairs, which is what you\'ve been doing this whole time, splitting hairs and trying to get out of this hole you\'ve dug yourself into.
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« Reply #114 on: June 10, 2008, 06:18:36 AM »
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Correction. The sentence "Jews are not innocent" sounds specific, but it is short and therefore can be ambiguous depending on the way you see it.

Ambiguously direct in any event. Don\'t hide from your convictions, Lic cannot seem to understand you\'re argument. The Jews=Nazi\'s. I\'ve seen your perspective and have never been more amazed by your ability to repeatedly address every issue that needs explaining or clarification.



Hey Lic, speaking of hairs, you suck. Yeah.
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« Reply #115 on: June 10, 2008, 06:18:40 AM »
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You\'re in no position to correct any one. You after all, are the one who started this whole mess.

And you\'re just splitting hairs, which is what you\'ve been doing this whole time, splitting hairs and trying to get out of this hole you\'ve dug yourself into.
I am in perfect position to do anything I want regardless of your deliberate efforts to dig my hole by using my own posts

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« Reply #116 on: June 10, 2008, 06:19:23 AM »
maybe Israel doesn\'t bomb Palestinians maybe its just PLO propaganda
for someone who says "question everything" you sure have some concrete views on the world
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« Reply #117 on: June 10, 2008, 06:21:04 AM »
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I am in perfect position to do anything I want regardless of your deliberate efforts to dig my hole by using my own posts


You\'re in perfect position as we dig your hole with posts. Are you bent over or something?
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« Reply #118 on: June 10, 2008, 06:21:50 AM »
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maybe Israel doesn\'t bomb Palestinians maybe its just PLO propaganda
for someone who says "question everything" you sure have some concrete views on the world

There are crimes from both sides. Both are using propaganda to cover them.

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« Reply #119 on: June 10, 2008, 06:24:27 AM »
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You\'re in perfect position as we dig your hole with posts. Are you bent over or something?
Oh  I am sorry about that.

And I thought he was talking metaphorically with expressions such us "splitting hair" and "holes"

 

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