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« Reply #135 on: July 30, 2008, 09:05:41 AM »
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It doesn\'t.  I don\'t pay into SS.  We have our own retirement plan here.  I am done debating in this thread with you as it now bores me.  So... talk about your "convoy" all you want, but you might want to invest in a dictionary and the word you are looking for is envoy.



Well i guess you certaintly told me, didn\'t you?...:rolleyes:...you\'re sayin\' you\'re bored like it\'s some type of "honor" to debate with you!!...:rofl:...:gtfo:..easy Giga it\'s just the internet....you\'re acting just like the "typical" stuck-up snobbish conservative......and thanks for enlightening me on the grammar correction...:rolleyes:....:thumb:


I\'ll be the bigger man and say it\'s been highly entertaining debating with you...:fighting:.....:highfive:
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« Reply #136 on: July 30, 2008, 10:11:55 AM »
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Perhaps you are right on that one.

Doesnt national sales tax already exist in goods and services btw? Or is it just in some goods and services?

 Personally I am against sales taxes though. It is the lower classes that are burdened the most from such a scheme. The lower the income, the bigger is the perceived value per dollar amount lost through taxes. The middle and low classes will still be under pressure and control, only this time indirectly. The end result isnt much different from an income tax.

 Perhaps the biggest difference outside the one you mentioned which Ron Paul targets, is the power the IRS has over people through income tax collection. The IRS can prosecute individuals now. Unlike income tax collection though the citizen can partially control what he pays for through national sales taxes by choosing his goods and services or by consuming less without any direct governmental intervention in his personal life. He basically wants to reduce the state control over citizens knowing the interests that are hidden within.


Your missing the point though.  People shouldn\'t be punished for making more money.  You buy what you can afford, capitalism at its heart.  This is why I\'ve been against social programs from the beginning.

Welfare, for example, provides no incentive to get off the couch and get a job.  They have money coming anyway, why do they need a job?  Welfare is by far the most abused social program in America and it needs to stop.

I can\'t stand American citizens who depend on the government to take care of them.  If you were born with a disability that\'s one thing.  If you were a crack addicted woman who now cares for eight children with five different fathers, you\'ve made poor choices in your life.

Why does the lower class deserve more money?  What did they do to deserve it?  Did they go to school?  Earn a degree?  Get a job?  Try those things first.  

Yes I know I sound like an ass, but its the truth.
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« Reply #137 on: July 30, 2008, 11:37:47 AM »
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Your missing the point though.  People shouldn\'t be punished for making more money.  You buy what you can afford, capitalism at its heart.  This is why I\'ve been against social programs from the beginning.

Welfare, for example, provides no incentive to get off the couch and get a job.  They have money coming anyway, why do they need a job?  Welfare is by far the most abused social program in America and it needs to stop.

I can\'t stand American citizens who depend on the government to take care of them.  If you were born with a disability that\'s one thing.  If you were a crack addicted woman who now cares for eight children with five different fathers, you\'ve made poor choices in your life.

Why does the lower class deserve more money?  What did they do to deserve it?  Did they go to school?  Earn a degree?  Get a job?  Try those things first.  

Yes I know I sound like an ass, but its the truth.
I agree about what you say regarding welfare systems and I will add that it is abused in almost every country. It is something I disagree upon as well and for years this matter has been troubling me. But the welfare system is irrelevant I think to what I ve tried to point out. I am not proposing a system of income allocation such as a welfare system.

My reference to lower classes is just a reference point, to express the perceived value lost as the income becomes less. For example  for you as a person who belongs in the middle class (assumption), the perceived value you lose through taxes is higher than for the very few that own more than half of the country\'s national income. The same amount per dollar lost has less value as wealth increases. In other words you are punished extra for making less.  You are still imprisoned in the economic system as a middle class man (or low class). Only this time indirectly.

For example in many European countries were national sales taxes are common, increases in VAT on necessity goods like milk and bread, cause uproars and complains from everyone except from the top classes even though the latter may consume more thus pay more in indirect taxes.

Also the general market is similar to the stock market. Not everyone can make abnormal returns. Even if we assume that every single individual tries his/her best, some are bound to fail, some will do fine, and some are bound to make abnormal returns due to unpredictable factors and/or inefficiencies of the market which is sometimes caused by some deliberately to allocate wealth from you to their own pockets. Not everyone in the upper class has earned his/her wealth purely on skill and extreme efforts. The public sector and the free market fail in similar ways for similar reasons. They are both abused and are enclosed in the same system.
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« Reply #138 on: July 31, 2008, 10:22:04 AM »
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People shouldn\'t be punished for making more money. You buy what you can afford, capitalism at its heart. This is why I\'ve been against social programs from the beginning.

Fair enough.

Me, I don\'t think people should be penalized for not making enough money. I like capitalism, I\'m not saying we should all be affording the same luxuries or whatever, but when it comes to things like health care, we shouldn\'t have people who can\'t afford it.

Sorry if I\'m off topic, I\'ve got health care on the brain and just jumped to the end of the thread.
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« Reply #139 on: July 31, 2008, 11:48:45 AM »
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Fair enough.

Me, I don\'t think people should be penalized for not making enough money. I like capitalism, I\'m not saying we should all be affording the same luxuries or whatever, but when it comes to things like health care, we shouldn\'t have people who can\'t afford it.

Sorry if I\'m off topic, I\'ve got health care on the brain and just jumped to the end of the thread.


Not too long ago, most people would pay cash for their doctor\'s visits, and it would an arrangement made with the doctor.  Government regulation are what have caused this gap in health care, not a free market.
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« Reply #140 on: July 31, 2008, 12:15:55 PM »
I love this guy. And its related. And it counts for everyone regardless of region

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« Reply #141 on: August 01, 2008, 09:47:35 AM »
\"In the last 12 months 100,000 private sector jobs have been lost and yet you\'ve created 30,000 public sector jobs. Prime Minister, you cannot carry on forever squeezing the productive bit of the economy in order to fund an unprecidented engorgement of the unproductive bit. You cannot spend your way out of recession or borrow your way out of debt.\" - Daniel Hannan

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