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Offline GigaShadow
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« Reply #120 on: October 20, 2008, 06:33:08 PM »
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« Reply #121 on: October 20, 2008, 09:56:37 PM »
Wow these are some crazy things Obama was caught saying on a candid camera. I actually didn\'t believe most of the stuff but......hes saying things about being pro-marxist with an Islamic-Jihadist twist on it. This is some scary stuff and will surely turn the election around! :o

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« Reply #122 on: October 21, 2008, 09:43:15 AM »
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Rather than taxing personal income, which assumes that the government owns individuals\' lives and labor, the federal government should be funded through excise taxes and/or uniform, non-protectionist tariffs. (ala Ron Paul method)

That would be awful. For every boss who would live just fine, there\'d be like 30 employees living in poverty.
 
But I guess if you like the idea of royalty and peasants being our two classes, that\'d be great.
 
Wonder how much food you\'d be able to buy with a what, 60, 70% sales tax (enough to cover whatever you already pay in taxes plus the difference of the larger amount currently shouldered by the wealthy), and just how much of that tax would benefit the people who were already rich.
 
Seriously though, that\'s an awful idea.

Let\'s have a rule of thumb where, if your tax code for the nation can be typed up on one side of a business card, it sucks.
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« Reply #123 on: October 21, 2008, 09:47:16 AM »
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LMAO a poll!!!!! Obvious oversampling of democrats or liars - wait they are the same. I can\'t believe you post this shit. You and your kind fuck shit up Core. Obama offers more taxes, more spending and you think that is great. Socialism is great! More government! You are such a dumb fuck. Why don\'t you send Obama the title to your S2000? I am sure he expects that of you.
As I recall, Mr. Bush presided over the largest increase in government spending in 30 years.  But that\'s the GOP way: Say one thing and do another.
 
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President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson. Even after excluding spending on defense and homeland security, Bush is still the biggest-spending president in 30 years.

It\'s hilarious how you can still repeat those empty conservative phrases like "More government!" when 4 year ago, Bush was your buddy.  You were 100% behind him, and anyone who didn\'t support the president was an America-hater.  Are you still so enamored of the great Bush legacy?  Would you care to admit you were wrong?  I doubt it.
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« Reply #124 on: October 21, 2008, 07:19:46 PM »
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As I recall, Mr. Bush presided over the largest increase in government spending in 30 years.  But that\'s the GOP way: Say one thing and do another.
 
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3750

 
It\'s hilarious how you can still repeat those empty conservative phrases like "More government!" when 4 year ago, Bush was your buddy.  You were 100% behind him, and anyone who didn\'t support the president was an America-hater.  Are you still so enamored of the great Bush legacy?  Would you care to admit you were wrong?  I doubt it.


I wonder how much of that was increased in the past two years???

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« Reply #125 on: October 22, 2008, 04:58:29 AM »
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That would be awful. For every boss who would live just fine, there\'d be like 30 employees living in poverty.
 
But I guess if you like the idea of royalty and peasants being our two classes, that\'d be great.
 
Wonder how much food you\'d be able to buy with a what, 60, 70% sales tax (enough to cover whatever you already pay in taxes plus the difference of the larger amount currently shouldered by the wealthy), and just how much of that tax would benefit the people who were already rich.
 
Seriously though, that\'s an awful idea.

Let\'s have a rule of thumb where, if your tax code for the nation can be typed up on one side of a business card, it sucks.

Where are you getting those numbers from.  I believe the tax rate was going to be 35% under his plan.

Considering the government takes a third of my paycheck every year (plus money owed during tax season), I\'d say that\'s a heck of a lot fairer than what we currently have.  I\'d only be taxed when I spend money, not when I earn it.

EDIT:  Actually, I\'m going to have to correct myself even further.  After doing some research I saw that his plan does NOT include a national sales tax, rather he\'d just cut wasteful spending.  The IRS, Fed, these are all agencies that could go.  We just need to cut back spending.
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« Reply #126 on: October 22, 2008, 05:21:23 AM »
So unemployment is another part of the grand solution.
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« Reply #127 on: October 22, 2008, 08:42:08 AM »
What?  Where are you getting this from?

There would be more jobs since private businesses wouldn\'t be taxed nearly as much.
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« Reply #128 on: October 22, 2008, 10:04:26 AM »
Wow, this is a brilliant analogy of our current tax system.

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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay $1. The sixth would pay $3. The seventh would pay $7. The eighth would pay $12. The ninth would pay $18. The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that\'s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. \'Since you are all such good customers,\' he said, \'I\'m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.\'Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his \'fair share?\' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody\'s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man\'s bill by roughly the same amount and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings). The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings). The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings). The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings). The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to dri nk for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

\'I only got a dollar out of the $20,\'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,\' but he got $10!\' \'Yeah, that\'s right,\' exclaimed the fifth man. \'I only saved a dollar, too. It\'s unfair that he got ten times more than I!\' \'That\'s true!!\' shouted the seventh man. \'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!\'

\'Wait a minute,\' yelled the first four men in unison. \'We didn\'t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!\'

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn\'t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn\'t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

Thank you David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D. Professor of Economics University of Georgia.

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« Reply #129 on: October 22, 2008, 10:14:19 AM »
The beer represents all government programs - WIC, war, social security, road improvements, defense, federal salaries, all of it. Things that affect all Americans and sometimes the world. Given that, the current system is much more fair than what\'s shown in that example, and it raises (in theory) the money needed for all those expenses, despite how wacky it seems if it were applied only to beer.
 
If we were all just buying actual beers, then your professor would be on to something - but that\'s already been addressed, which is why sales tax (including for beer) is already the same no matter what your income level.
 
For frivilous spending, we have a shared sales tax. But for the stuff we need, we can\'t ask the poor to pay money they don\'t have, which is the point.
 
When it comes to the real world application and income tax, we can\'t hit everyone equally since everyone doesn\'t have equally. It\'s not possible for everyone to have equally... unless we switch to socialism. If we did socialism, your ideas would work a lot better, no?
 
And it has to be a tax on income rather than spending because if people hoarded their money, which people do, our nation would be broke.
 
Anyway, you can\'t hit the poor for more than they\'ve got, so if the rich don\'t want to give more, we need to cut federal spending and programs and unecessary funding and that\'s something I agree we should do more of before anything else.
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« Reply #130 on: October 22, 2008, 10:18:08 AM »
You missed the point of the article though.  Those at the bottom are bitching about not getting their fair share while in reality they aren\'t even paying taxes so they have no right to complain to begin with.
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« Reply #131 on: October 23, 2008, 12:12:54 AM »
That shit just ain\'t ever gonna happen ever since democracy gave the middle class or "poor" the vote. Not that it makes sense to begin with.

I think you\'re views and Ron Paul are a little out of place in this world. You might have more success in the 18th and 19th centuries though.
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« Reply #132 on: October 23, 2008, 05:37:29 AM »
ugh... liberals

We should be sticking to the principals for which this country was founded on.
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« Reply #133 on: October 23, 2008, 06:36:15 AM »
Exactly.

Go back to 1776 and shut the fuck up.

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« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2008, 06:38:55 AM »
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ugh... liberals

We should be sticking to the principals for which this country was founded on.


Bunch of marxist pinko liberals in this forum.

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