Democrat screams at constituent for asking tough question on health care

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I\'m kinda sketchy on the details...this was waaay back in 88....but i do know it involved only a handful of students and that your grades had to be good....you had to have nothing less than C to qualify(only A\'s & B\'s)...i remember being in my arts talented class when they offered the program.

I want to say that they only offered this program to students that were in the higher end special classes like engineering and car mechanics tech...i guess i just made it since i was in an arts talented class which was a few notches above your regular arts class.

So according to your logic walmart should have put k-mart and Target out of business....it hasn\'t.

the analogy doesnt work because none of those are run by the govt (yet!). If walmart want to stop being profitable then they could put everyone out of buisness.
Govt doesnt care about turning a profit govt healthcare is designed to put prices so out of reach that there is no way private insurance could restructure quick enough to not go out of buisness.

...nothing to see here...

Some employers have already dropped their insurance plans because they can\'t afford it anymore and i don\'t mean small business employers,....your employer will eventually drop coverage if things continue to stay along this path anyway...something has to be done.

Nothing is perfect, but the public option will keep ins companies honest....i don\'t see how it\'s going to absolutely put every major private insurance company out of business....not unless it\'s offering it\'s services for super cheap...and that is not likely.





I never said it was successful...i mentioned that because folks act like the gov\'t isn\'t part of your everyday lives...Bush was too obsessed with the iraq war to get things done on healthcare and now we have somebody that sincerly wants to fix it and people think the gov\'t is taking over...don\'t be ridiculous.

People don\'t want the gov\'t to do anything for them, but when there\'s a catastrophy, they are the first folks that people come screaming to....people need to relax..gov\'t involvement doesn\'t always have to be a bad thing when it\'s attempting to get something done right. The fact that you posted how medicare will be bankrupt also proves that we have to do something about the crisis before it gets out of hand.

This whole situation is ugly because nobody gave a s**t about it when everybody was makin\' money...now that everything is against the wall Obama has some tough decisions to make. Is he going to have to raise taxes?..most likely,..but we can\'t keep sustaining this turbulent downfall.

God, you make me want to pull my hair out sometimes.  If government can\'t deliver healthcare on a small scale (such as medicare) how the fuck is going to do it for the general public?  We would have more people taking out of the system than paying in... the math doesn\'t work!

And for people who say we\'re just catching up, why don\'t you ask Daniel Hannan what he thinks of the National Health Service that he lives with over in the UK.

I wish someone would stand up to Obama like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs

I imagine employers will only need to offer their own plans if they find things to offer not covered by the gov\'t plan, or if they somehow can get you better rates than what\'s in the gov\'t plan.
 
By the way, since all taxpayers pay into it, do you need to "enroll" or is it as it should be, we can all walk into a hospital and save?
 
If that\'s the case, then having a private insurance policy would allow you everything in the national plan plus whatever additions or better prices that private plan can offer.
 
If the gov\'t plan is all encompassing, it might make some private plans obsolete and then employers will have more cash to give you instead of to health insurance companies. If that happened, you\'d end up paying less in health insurance since you\'d be sharing the burden nationwide instead of just within your small company. You might even get a raise. Hypothetically.

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If the gov\'t plan is all encompassing, it might make some private plans obsolete and then employers will have more cash to give you instead of to health insurance companies. If that happened, you\'d end up paying less in health insurance since you\'d be sharing the burden nationwide instead of just within your small company. You might even get a raise. Hypothetically.

Heh...i was also thinking along these lines...this would free up alot of headaches for employers and possibly give them more capital for raises or other ventures...sadly tho, i\'ve been hearing that Obama and company might be doing away with the gov\'t option and go with a co-op plan whatever that is,..i just heard a brief news flash on it.

Anyway i did hear obama say over the weekend that he did only support a gov\'t plan that wasn\'t supported on the back of taxpayers....he wanted it to be set up just as if you were paying your individual premiums and not something that everybody has to pay into....so for all those folks stating that taxpayers would be payin\' for this, that would be a negative....but sadly the mindless sheep hear gov\'t and automatically think they\'re takin\' over.

Nobody won\'t be satisfied until there\'s no money left for anything then folks will REALLY see what happens when gov\'t gets involved....he\'s not tryin\' to take over,..i believe he\'s trying to find the best way to cut costs without havin\' to hit the tax payer.

Oh america, its time to come out of the dark ages where only the 5 richest kings of europe could afford a Livmedikus (doctor).

Stop fighting the modern times.

unfortunately - money is a motivator

Our current system has been in place for many years and is quite successful.  I have never been denied a claim... ever.  I\'d like to see the government top that.

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I agree.  I can\'t imagine having to file a claim with the government and what a headache that would be.  

No tax increase and only the people who want the insurance pay for it?  Um, clips..  That is what we have now..  You are saying to us what Obama is saying, but you do realize that Obama is not writing this bill, right?  He can spew whatever he wants to see in the thing, but if the house and senate can\'t do it, then oh well.  The way he is doing it works for him.  He can just say "They" couldn\'t get it done. "They" had to raise your taxes because it was the only way.  Whatever...  I\'m going to go blow some shit up on COD.

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unfortunately - money is a motivator

Our current system has been in place for many years and is quite successful.  I have never been denied a claim... ever.  I\'d like to see the government top that.

That\'s bulls**t....last year my daughter had an infected index finger, and i was trying to get coverage for her...and right before "they" (the ins co.) would cover her, they asked if she had any pre-existing conditions...i told them about my daughters finger, and they immediately told me they wouldn\'t cover her...i called over 5 well known ins companies and they gave me they exact same answer....(aetna/ bluecross/blue shield and a few others that i haven\'t heard of)

I ended up getting my daughter coverage thru a state program provided by "gasp" the gov\'t :ohnoes:...so yeah Obama is on to sdomething when he states that these ins.companies basically only want to cover healthy people...why wouldn\'t they cover my daughter over a finger?....it\'s bulls**t these ins.companies are telling you what they will cover and what they won\'t yet when it\'s the gov\'t doing it..it\'s bad thing...great logic there...*Plus Obama has stated that he won\'t allow these ins.co. to deny you because of pre-existing conditions*.

I agree. I can\'t imagine having to file a claim with the government and what a headache that would be.

No tax increase and only the people who want the insurance pay for it? Um, clips.. That is what we have now.. You are saying to us what Obama is saying, but you do realize that Obama is not writing this bill, right? He can spew whatever he wants to see in the thing, but if the house and senate can\'t do it, then oh well. The way he is doing it works for him. He can just say "They" couldn\'t get it done. "They" had to raise your taxes because it was the only way. Whatever... I\'m going to go blow some shit up on COD.

I agree to a certain extent....he is letting the congress and the house come up with ideas, but that\'s only because he wants something bi-partisan....but he also wants something that that shares his views on healthcare reform as well...i do feel he needs to be more hands on and just say "this is what i want in my healthcare reform bill"....this healthcare thing is a problem that both dems and repubs have never gotten a handle on..even before obama came up with this gov\'t option, employers was dropping ins. coverages on a daily basis because they couldn\'t afford it.

You may still have your employer paid coverage, but if nothing is done, it\'ll only be a matter of time before they drop some services or drop coverage completely.

Wait... you flat out called FIVE insurance companies, none of which you were insured by, OF COURSE your not going to get coverage.  Great spin job.

You want to talk about horror stories, my grandma broke her hip, she only has medicare (the Gov\'t option), and they told her that she\'d have to wait FIVE freaking weeks to get it operated on.  So what the FRICK is she supposed to do for the next five weeks?  Walk around with a broken hip?  It\'s embarrassing, and I would not wish that on anyone.

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Yeah, not sure what that example really has to do with anything.  Insurance companies make money based on gambling on your good health.  If you come in with a bum flipper, why would they want to pay to fix the flip?  How about we make this deal.  I give you 5 bucks if you give me 50.

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Maybe i\'m missing something here, but i still don\'t get where you two are getting at. If i don\'t have insurance and i\'m calling around to get a family package, you mean to tell me that i shouldn\'t be able to receive coverage because i\'m not with an employer or because of my daughter\'s pre-existing condition of her finger?...still don\'t see the logic and it doesn\'t make sense at all.

So they(the ins co.) were willing to give me coverage because everybody in my family was in good health, but when i told them of my daughter\'s finger they refused?....there\'s something incredibly wrong with that scenario...if i\'m willing to pay for the package that they were offering, my daughter\'s finger should have nothing to do with it.

The ONLY time i feel anybody should be denied and this is going a bit off topic is when somebody is trying to get life insurance on somebody who is basically on their death bed....then i can see a reason for denial, since the person trying to gain coverage is only looking for a quick cash out.

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OK.. do you seriously not understand the logic as a business deal?  

Here is the agreement I want to do with you.  I have a family of 4.  I want you to be there for me if I ever need you.  You are my sort of safety net.  I\'m going to pay you 100 dollars a month.  But I have to tell you one thing.  My son has an arm falling off that will cost $350,000 to re-attach.  The arm is barely attached so I need to do it pretty soon.  So here is my 100 bucks..  Now over the next month you have to pay my doctor 350,000...  

Or, you can just say no.