CES 2016

[Paul2]

You wouldn’t know it from this small, unimposing display in a small corner of Samsung’s both, or the rather ordinary look of the product (OK by us as this keeps the price down), but the Samsung UBD-K8500 should be the first Ultra HD Blu-ray player when it hits the market, as scheduled, sometime between now and March 30 (Q1 in industry lingo). The projected price is $399.

The player is said to correctly handle both of the most prominent HDR formats: Dolby Vision and HDR10. It will have two HDMI outputs (one for audio only) and a Toslink optical digital out...

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/samsung-does-uhd-blu-ray#cm4tE27fhHKQTr8y.97

$399 for a first generation UHD Blu-Ray player.  Not bad.  Finally a video player that supports 4K and playback 4K contents from UHD Blu-Ray discs.

[Titan]

I thought UHD Blu-Ray players were already on the market? I thought they released a number of movies in 4K already?

[Paul2]

nope.  I think you might be mistaken 4k online streaming on smart TVs like smart 4K TVs.  i think big studio movies release 4k online streaming on some websites like Vudo or maybe Hulu for consumer purchase maybe like as early as a year or 2 ago.

4K TVs probably first debut in late 2012, but they are ridiculously expensive because its still very new that time.  So, its been more than 3 years and 4K TVs has come down a lot in prices which is cool.  So maybe you mistaken that when 4K TVs first come out a few years ago, you probably thought 4k blu ray players also come out during that time or so.

But so far there haven't been a disc based video player that supports 4K yet.  This year is the first year they finally release 4K UHD blu Ray players.  Early last year panasonic planned on releasing 4k UHD players somewhere in the middle to late last year but they changed their plan.  Maybe they are trying to get the specifications for 4K Blu Ray finalized and fine-tune and tweak it some more to make it better or something.  So it was pushed to this year.  I think Samsung will be the first company to release 4k UHD blu ray players in March 30 of this year.  if not the first, one of the firsts.

Speaking of 4K blu ray players, what excited me even more than 4k resolution is HDR (high dynamic range).  and Samsung will be the first or one of the firsts UHD Blu-Ray players to support HDR.  two popular HDR formats are Dolby Vision and HDR10.

[Paul2]

The LG Signature OLED Makes an Impression


A photo shot with a point and shoot camera, viewed on your computer monitor can't really convey how fine this LG Signature 77-inch flat screen OLED looks in the flesh, but this shot from a short NASA video used for demonstration gives you a fair idea.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/lg-signature-oled-makes-impression#REFOv2ppwuQlPZyD.97

This is an OLED TV that is only 2.57 mm thick which equals to 4 stacked credit cards.  Not only that but this 4k OLED TV is Ultra HD Premium certified which means it passed DCI color gamut requirement of 90% or higher, supports HDR (high dymanic range) of 540 nits of brightness or higher, and 10 bit color per channel.  Not only does it pass the UHD Premium specification requirements, its actually exceed it.  it covers 99% of DCI color gamut, supports HDR up to 800 nits of brightness, and it has 10 bits color per channel, and 10 bits video processing.  So cool.

[Titan]

4K TVs probably first debut in late 2012, but they are ridiculously expensive because its still very new that time.  So, its been more than 3 years and 4K TVs has come down a lot in prices which is cool.  So maybe you mistaken that when 4K TVs first come out a few years ago, you probably thought 4k blu ray players also come out during that time or so.

That's probably where my thought process was. I figured if they released 4K TVs, they released players to do it as well. To be honest I never looked into it. I don't have a 4K TV nor can I afford one so I never got curious enough to shop around

[Paul2]

me too on about having 4k tv.  i don't have a 4k tv yet either and it still expensive compare to 2k tvs (1080p).  what i like the most about 4k tvs is the hdr (high dynamic range), and that is still new and makes 4k tvs even more expensive than its already is.  Maybe a couple years from now or so, prices will come down a lot more for 4k TVs with HDR.

[Paul2]

LG Compares Standard and High Dynamic Range

Left is Standard Dynamic Range (SDR), Right is High Dynamic Range (HDR)

It’s hard to put together a side-by-side comparison of anything in video—too many variables get in the way. It’s even harder to show such a comparison through the filter of a camera, a bandwidth-limited Internet connection, and a desktop computer monitor. But this comparison that LG showed in its booth looked close in person to what you see here, and perhaps even more strikingly so. Ignore the color differences; they were either produced in the camera or were on the screen. I was looking for other things in trying to get the shot of a moving image at an opportune time, so can’t say for certain. But they’re not part of the HDR process!

If you look closely you’ll see medium brightness areas of the fuselage looking roughly the same in both pictures, but the spectral highlights look brighter in the HDR image at the right. In addition, the glint of sunlight off the water in the HDR shot is nowhere to be found in the SDR version...

Here is a link to the side by side comparison of SDR vs. HDR TV.
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/lg-compares-standard-and-high-dynamic-range#4CMuyOH69kpPWGL5.97

the picture taken and view on computer monitor can't do justice to the big difference between SDR and HDR.  But it does give us an idea of what HDR looks like compare to SDR and how much better and realistic is it compare to SDR.

[Paul2]

...The displays are all ridiculously thin, at 2.57 millimeters thick (about a tenth of an inch)...

http://hometheaterhifi.com/features/show-reports-film-festivals-concerts/ces-2016-show-report-day-1/

Here are two pictures showing how thin LG OLED TV is here.  I think its their Signature 65 inch OLED shown here.

[Paul2]

Sony Demos Startling “Backlight Master Drive”


...Sony’s Backlight Master Drive is said to deliver noticeably deep blacks and peak white highlights of up to 4,000 nits, about 10 times the capability of the typical non-HDR LCD television and something close to that for an HDR-capable OLED. The technology starts with a high-density local dimming LED backlight and uses some “precision backlight boosting technology” combined with Sony’s pre-existing X-tended Dynamic Range PRO.

The on-site demo, using an HDR-mastered 4K clip from the recent Annie reboot and some 4K scenes shot on the Vegas strip, was nothing less than startling to experienced viewers like myself, not to mention more casual observers. Played alongside a standard non-HDR monitor showing the same material, the Master Drive-driven scenes triggered a visceral reaction every time a sudden sun-flash or bright neon highlight hit the screen. Blacks were satisfyingly inky, and, notably, shadow detail and fine gradations in the near-black were well preserved. Clearly, LCD technology has a few tricks left in its tank.

What’s unclear, of course, is whether this prototype is just pie-in-the-sky or something that could be commercialized at reasonable cost. Sound & Vision staffers have a private briefing with the Sony video team today where we hope to learn more...


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http://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-demos-startling-%E2%80%9Cbacklight-master-drive%E2%80%9D-ces#jy6BOBDFQlsvtsSC.97

very, very impress that sony hdr led-lcd tv can go as bright as 4,000 nits.  That far exceed 1,000 nits require to meet UHD Premium certified.  although its a led-lcd not oled, but it still impress with that level of hdr.

[Paul2]

CES Marks World’s First ATSC 3.0 UHD Broadcast with HDR

If there’s one thing we know for sure about an Ultra HD broadcast standard, it’s that its still under development. But will TV stations really end up broadcasting 4K-resolution programming? Will the average viewer even care?

With Netflix, Amazon and other sources already streaming 4K video to TVs, OTT (over-the-top) delivery seems the more likely scenario for a UHD TV standard. That said, CES 2016 marked the debut of ATSC 3.0 UHD broadcasting. Samsung and LG hosted demos in “future TV tech” sections of their booths, each one from a separate local Las Vegas station. LG’s (pictured here) included High Dynamic Range as part of the proceedings, indicating that HDR will be part of any ATSC 3.0 standard once that’s all finalized.

The broadcast shown in LG’s booth adhered to the HDR10 media profile specs required for HDR-compatible TVs by the Consumer Technology Association. And right next door, a Dolby rep demo’d Dolby Vision HDR content, which looked even better than the broadcast on LG’s new Dolby Vision-compatible OLED TVs.

Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/content/ces-marks-world%E2%80%99s-first-atsc-30-uhd-broadcast-hdr#b8Vzz4tCPCP659Aq.99

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/ces-marks-world%E2%80%99s-first-atsc-30-uhd-broadcast-hdr#Ebju79r1muAJ7Bb9.97

cool, eventually 4k uhd hdr broadcasting will be finalized and built into the 4k tvs so we can watch 4k with hdr broadcasting.  i think it might be a couple years when it will be finalized and it will be years and years when most channel stations switch to 4k cameras and 4k broadcasting.  As long as 5 to 10 years from now is my guess.

[Titan]

CES Marks World’s First ATSC 3.0 UHD Broadcast with HDR

If there’s one thing we know for sure about an Ultra HD broadcast standard, it’s that its still under development. But will TV stations really end up broadcasting 4K-resolution programming? Will the average viewer even care?

With Netflix, Amazon and other sources already streaming 4K video to TVs, OTT (over-the-top) delivery seems the more likely scenario for a UHD TV standard. That said, CES 2016 marked the debut of ATSC 3.0 UHD broadcasting. Samsung and LG hosted demos in “future TV tech” sections of their booths, each one from a separate local Las Vegas station. LG’s (pictured here) included High Dynamic Range as part of the proceedings, indicating that HDR will be part of any ATSC 3.0 standard once that’s all finalized.

The broadcast shown in LG’s booth adhered to the HDR10 media profile specs required for HDR-compatible TVs by the Consumer Technology Association. And right next door, a Dolby rep demo’d Dolby Vision HDR content, which looked even better than the broadcast on LG’s new Dolby Vision-compatible OLED TVs.

Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/content/ces-marks-world%E2%80%99s-first-atsc-30-uhd-broadcast-hdr#b8Vzz4tCPCP659Aq.99

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/ces-marks-world%E2%80%99s-first-atsc-30-uhd-broadcast-hdr#Ebju79r1muAJ7Bb9.97

cool, eventually 4k uhd hdr broadcasting will be finalized and built into the 4k tvs so we can watch 4k with hdr broadcasting.  i think it might be a couple years when it will be finalized and it will be years and years when most channel stations switch to 4k cameras and 4k broadcasting.  As long as 5 to 10 years from now is my guess.

My cable company still only broadcasts in 720p so it's going to be a while before those douche bags broadcast in 4k

[Paul2]

i see.  yeah, many broadcasts nowaday are either 720p or 1080i.  i think that's also the case with cable company.  btw, what cable company are you subscribing to?