Its only a thought and barely an idea. . .

They should make it like Grandia 2\'s fighting system...that was the most fun I\'ve had through out the battles.  They never got boring either...(in case you don\'t know, the enemies were on screen) you could sneak up and get the upper hand, or they could suprise you and whoop your ass.  It was always different, and the cancel feature was brillant...

Well, I don\'t want to sit here and explain it, but anyone who\'s played Grandia 2 knows what I\'m talking about...

I suppose visible monsters would be okay... (Yet I can\'t forget those very stupid looking thingies running around the screen in Grandia. It was very very naff.) But what I would really like would be a system that allowed you not to engage in the battles if you didn\'t wanna. I mean, it\'s kinda weird how those little weaklings (meaning the monsters) always want to fight the party. It\'d be better if it was YOU who chose wheter to fight or not. It would be useful especially when you were hurting and in need of some healing potions.

And FF most certainly does not deserve to end, because each game is an individual. Maybe they don\'t change that much but, if it ain\'t broke, don\'t fix it. I love FF and wouldn\'t want to see it change too much.

Originally posted by Samwise
Geez, EThugg, what\'s up with all the negativity? It can\'t be healthy.

I just think Square needs to grow some balls and stop milking a franchise. Is it that hard to make up a new name? Is it that hard to make the games less similar gameplay wise? How about some *gasp* innovation? Guess not, the is Square. They stopped being innovative a long time ago.

Originally posted by EThugg



I just think Square needs to grow some balls and stop milking a franchise. Is it that hard to make up a new name? Is it that hard to make the games less similar gameplay wise? How about some *gasp* innovation? Guess not, the is Square. They stopped being innovative a long time ago.

as long as the games are good, who cares?
I don\'t wanna hear any of that it sucks stuff, cause there are millions of people who like it, that\'s a fact, nothing you can do about it.
And why would square be stupid enough to take the risk with changing the concept when the concept they have now sells like crazy?

I can\'t believe what I\'m hearing! Has the world gone mad??? Why be innovative when you can have commercial success???? Good games compared to what? The great games they could be making if the weren\'t too busy making cash runs and turning out regular sequels?  I.... can\'t.... come..... back..... to... this.... thread.............. inane logic..... taking over thread...... it\'s...like.... kryptonite.... *gasp*........

read my statement a bit better, will ya, I said millions of people like the current concept, so you can stick to the concept, I didn\'t say change nothing at all, just keep the concept! duh!

Originally posted by politiepet
read my statement a bit better, will ya, I said millions of people like the current concept, so you can stick to the concept, I didn\'t say change nothing at all, just keep the concept! duh!

So your still saying its ok to not be innovative cause the masses are happy with the status quo....  not a good idea. If there was no innovation, we\'d still be content with Atari....

I appreciate inovation, without innovation not much would be better, but I say, let final fantasy be the way it is, cause it\'s good the way it is (for me, in any case)

Originally posted by politiepet
I appreciate inovation, without innovation not much would be better, but I say, let final fantasy be the way it is, cause it\'s good the way it is (for me, in any case)

If they want a regular series though, they should at least give it a name that makes sense, and use a(somewhat more) consitant \'world\'. They can make a million Tobals, but be consistant.

i like the alundra style of rpg i.e non turn based like zelda 2

First of all I did like Grandia 2\'s battle system exsept for the fact alter in the game I would use spell after spell and the real powerful ones always had the longest animation.

And i beleive Square is being inavative and are darn well using thier "balls" as you put it to explore new frontiers. Thew fact is they are the best at RPG\'s. (I meen this only in the sence that withen themselves they are the best). Does anyone Remmember Driving Emotion S? The Bouncer? Didn\'t they also have a baseball game also? They do release RPG\'s that are not FF also. And as I recall they dont plan to make sequals to most of them. Xenogears, Front Mission, mana series, to name a few.

And every FF has been different. From, the battle system, the magic system, story development, character growth, from 2d to 3d, from pre-rendered to real time. I dont force anyone I know to play FF. But I cant seem to understand how you can say they are not inovative.

it was inovation that cause them to move from the 64 to the PSOne. Its Inovation that causes them to Make FF XI online.

Lastly I do respect everyones opinions and will always. but to me. Square does not have "tired gameplay" and does not "deserve to end."

Originally posted by EThugg
I think they should stop making sequels that aren\'t connected in anyway to the previous game. \'Final\' fantasy is pretty explicit in its title. Make a new series....

Square is aware of this, but they simply don\'t care. Since every FF title usually sells well over a million. why waste a good cash making phenomenom? They\'ve tried to be innovative with games like Xenogears, and Vagrant Story but it those two games sold a significantly less copies than any FF PSX game. Its all about bringing in the dough and they know that and thats why they keep pushing and milking the FF series( there will probably be 5-10 more FF games between now and the next April...I heard this straight from this place). The people at Square at money stealing hoes, but they don\'t care since they\'re making millions.

Yes I agree, they SHOULD  make new series but they just don\'t have the similar success of the FF series so we\'ll probably see it around for ten more years... I actually liked some of their other games besides FF. Xenogears, Chrono Cross, and Vagrant Story were all better than any FF game to date IMO of course. I hope the FF series dies so then Square can go back to the drawing board and make some better games.

DO you think Final Fantasy would be more interesting if you could see the enemies? If thier were no random battles. Battles could be handled like Secrets/Legends of Mana. Where you are walking and if you get to close to an enemy you enter a battle mode.

That would be nice.

They should make it like Grandia 2\'s fighting system...that was the most fun I\'ve had through out the battles. They never got boring either...(in case you don\'t know, the enemies were on screen) you could sneak up and get the upper hand, or they could suprise you and whoop your ass. It was always different, and the cancel feature was brillant...

Well, I don\'t want to sit here and explain it, but anyone who\'s played Grandia 2 knows what I\'m talking about...

I completely agree. They should just steal that kind of design...

Jumpman

I agree with your Vagrant Story analogy, a great innovative game that the Japanese didn\'t care for and only got moderate success in the States. Yet the game scored perfect from Famitsu


Pisses me off.

Ethugg

Your missing the point.  Square ending the Final Fantasy franchise would be a complete business **** up.

Square needs to innovate and they can and  should do this with other games. Its obvious the FF formula  is still enjoyed by millions, and as long as there are millions of FF fans there is no reason to ending it to make Ethugg happy.

You don\'t like the game don\'t buy it, Most of us won\'t hesitate for some FF goodness.

Caspien-Bouncer, Driving Emotion T-S and the baseball games were criticly ripped apart for huge flaws.

And 2  or 3 new features in a series that has 10 parts isn\'t that great. Again, I DONT HATE FF GAMES. I just think they should make a new series with each one sinse they\'re totally unrelated. And each one would/could/should have a more individual gameplay style. If they want FF10, use the same world at least!


ddaryl:No, YOU missed MY point. Sure it makes financial sense. It doesn\'t make artistic sense. And most companies (including Square) want to call video game creation an art form. They need to treat it like one.

Originally posted by EThugg

ddaryl:No, YOU missed MY point. Sure it makes financial sense. It doesn\'t make artistic sense. And most companies (including Square) want to call video game creation an art form. They need to treat it like one.

FF is not going to go against its proven formula

Thats what new games are for. Allowing FF to follow its roots and appeal to the masses that like them is sensible. Square has only one mission for FF, and that to make FF fans happy.

Square can and should create a few new non-sequel title that show off  some innovative areas, and if these games become succesful then they become there own franchises

As for Artisitc sense, the lush 3D world will serve the artisitc purpose, along with cutscenes and storyline.

Now if Square does nothing but pump out sequels with better graphics then I will be pissed as much as the next hardcore gamer.

I have a feeling a radical change to FF to accomodate westerners would alienate Japanese consumers. Being that FF is succesful in all regions screwing with the balance would alientate one or the other regions which is the dillema of this type of game.

For expample MGS2 which the Japanese don\'t care for, and for Europe and AMerica its held isn high regard.


I was hoping they\'d make some changes to FF battle system. They made some minor changes but unfortunatley no overhaul.