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The never ending story of Pal vs NTSC
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2001, 04:04:54 AM »
Like Samwise said, it\'s the slobby companies which should put some effort in this matter.
And Lavan, what if someone like me doesn\'t like ISS
Rugby games like that. I am awaiting MGS2 eagerly.
I don\'t like sports videogames that much : for sports
I go outside and play some basketball.

My point is that if they would deliver decently to PAL
ppl they would make better and faster money and have
satisfied customers.
AD 2001 and still haven\'t got some solution for the console Pal- NTsc problem, shsss c\'mon dude.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2001, 05:51:23 AM »
I know Knotter, but my point is that not all North Americans are \'lucky\' for getting games early, because they\'re not neccesarily the games we want the most.

Just trying to make all of you feel better! ;)

Kopking, I\'ll bring the beer.
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2001, 08:03:22 AM »
So Lavan, you\'re a soccer fan , an American soccer fan.
Soccer is really big here in the Netherlands.
I like sports like basketball better. I watch the national
soccer team when they have a big game on tv though.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2001, 09:26:42 AM »
Actually I was born and raised in England, I came here to Canada in \'93 - that\'s why I love soccer (football) so much!
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2001, 12:04:06 PM »
lavan also learned a real important thing when he was in England, not just that football is excellent, but the greatest football team is LIVERPOOL :D
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2001, 01:05:39 PM »
Ah, but I didn\'t learn that Kopking, no that was an evolutionary instinct - it\'s coded in my genes. :)
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2001, 01:50:22 PM »
Here is a nice little listing of the pros and cons of all the systems:

NTSC Advantages-
Higher Frame Rate - Use of 30 frames per second (really 29.97) reduces visible flicker.
Atomic Colour Edits - With NTSC it is possible to edit at any 4 field boundary point without disturbing the colour signal.
Less inherent picture noise - Almost all pieces of video equipment achieve better signal to noise characteristics in their NTSC form than in their PAL.

NTSC Disadvantages
Lower Number of Scan Lines - Reduced clarity on large screen TVs, line structure more visible.
Smaller Luminance Signal Bandwidth - Due to the placing of the colour sub-carrier at 3.58MHz, picture defects such as moire, cross-colour, and dot interference become more pronounced. This is because of the greater likelihood of interaction with the monochrome picture signal at the lower sub-carrier frequency.
Susceptablity to Hue Fluctuation - Variations in the colour subcarrier phase cause shifts in the displayed colour, requiring that the TV receivers be equiped with a Hue adjustment to compensate.
Lower Gamma Ratio - The gamma value for NTSC is set at 2.2 as opposed to the slightly higher 2.8 defined for PAL. This means that PAL can produce pictures of greater contrast.
Undesirable Automatic Features - Many NTSC TV receivers feature an Auto-Tint circuit to make hue fluctuations less visible to uncritical viewers. This circuit changes all colours approximating to flesh tone into a "standard" fleshtone, thus hiding the effects of hue fluctuation. This does mean however that a certain range of colour shades cannot be displayed correctly by these sets. Up-market models often have this (mis)feature switchable, cheaper sets do not.

PAL Advantages
Greater Number of Scan Lines - more picture detail.
Wider Luminance Signal Bandwidth - The placing of the colour Sub-Carrier at 4.43MHz allows a larger bandwidth of monochrome information to be reproduced than with NTSC.
Stable Hues - Due to reversal of sub-carrier phase on alternate lines, any phase error will be corrected by an equal and oposite error on the next line, correcting the original error. In early PAL implementations it was left to the low resolution of the human eye\'s colour abilities to provide the averaging effect; it is now done with a delay line.
Higher Gamma Ratio - The gamma value for PAL is set at 2.8 as opposed to the lower 2.2 figure of NTSC. This permits a higher level of contrast than on NTSC signals. This is particularly noticable when using multi-standard equipment as the contrast and brightness settings need to be changed to give a similar look to signals of the two formats.

PAL Disadvantages
More Flicker - Due to the lower frame rate, flicker is more noticable on PAL transmissions; particularly so for people used to viewing NTSC signals.
Lower Signal to Noise Ratio - The higher bandwidth requirements cause PAL equipment to have slightly worse signal to noise performance than it\'s equivalent

SECAM Advantages
Stable Hues and Constant Saturation - SECAM shares with PAL the ability to render images with the correct hue, and goes a step further in ensuring consistant saturation of colour as well.
Higher Number of Scan Lines - SECAM shares with PAL, the higher number of scan lines than NTSC.

SECAM Disadvantages
Greater Flicker - (See PAL)
Mixing of two synchronous SECAM colour signals is not possible - Most TV studios in SECAM countries originate in PAL and transcode prior to broadcasting. More advanced home systems such as SuperVHS, Hi-8, and LaserDisc work internally in PAL and transcode on replay in SECAM market models.
Patterning Effects - The FM subcarrier causes patterning effects even on non-coloured objects.
Lower monochrome Bandwidth - Due to one of the two colour sub-carriers being at 4.25MHz (in the French Version), a lower bandwith of monochrome signal can be carried.
Incompatibility between different versions of SECAM - SECAM being at least partially politically inspired, has a wide range of variants, many of which are incompatible with each other. For example between French SECAM with uses FM subcarrier, and MESECAM which uses an AM subcarrier

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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2001, 04:33:31 PM »
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You must have me confused with Bozco :D. Sorry  nO-One and Sammy, but Asia, and the Americas both use NTSC, that alone is the majority. I\'m not sure about Africa though...

If everyone used the same standard format, it\'d be much easier...


WTF i havent said anything to you to piss you off,see you start most of the fights, even Samwise relizes your ignorant

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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2001, 05:27:46 PM »
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WTF i havent said anything to you to piss you off,see you start most of the fights, even Samwise relizes your ignorant


Actually, we equally start ****. You often talk some **** after I say anything pro-XB or I complain about something w/PS2.
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2001, 11:09:13 PM »
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WTF i havent said anything to you to piss you off,see you start most of the fights, even Samwise relizes your ignorant
Please leave me out of comparisons between you and ETHugg. You might not like the result.
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2001, 01:16:10 AM »
Back to PAL vs NTSC.

I think the reason it takes them so long to swap games to PAL is because of Sony. We have seen some games literally appear almost the same time as the NTSC versions, prooving it can\'t take that long. It is just Sony, why else did they make the console so it can only play its own region in games and DVDs ? Its so they can spread the releases about to suit there market stratigy, and unfortunatly that means us Europeans get the bad deal.

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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2001, 03:44:04 AM »
Well RichGUK,
and that strategy stinks pretty much IMO.
A company like Sony deliberately pissing off
a whole gaming continent.
If that\'s true I\'d say they\'re trying to loose
the console war over here ! :rolleyes:
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