The never ending story of Pal vs NTSC

OMG. We ppl in Europe still don\'t have Onimusha Warlords. Isn\'t that sad ! :crap:
With Sony , Nintendo and MS all bragging for themselves
how great their technology is : they still do less than
impress when it comes to bringing content to the PAL
territories.
I mean , it almost makes me think getting a original game made to PAL is harder than porting to another
console. It always simply takes that long.
Why haven\'t they invested in figuring out some method of getting Pal games ready faster. I think this would benefit them because now we here in Europe are getting f**ked  by this over and over again. One would think they\'d have this sorted out now in the 128 bit era.
But no, it has to be painful for us Europeans again.
C\'mon Sony, NIntendo and Ms do somethin about this fast plz !
Knotter8

Here\'s a clue for Europe.... use NTSC like the rest of the world.

Do you know what Ethugg ,i really wish we did use NTSC,it would be so much simplier,also i wish we all used the same voltage as well,i dont see why it isnt universal,but what can we do?

[nO-One]

Umm I think more people use PAL rather than NTSC (probly wrong though).
But I prefer PAL,better image quality etc...

Originally posted by EThugg
Here\'s a clue for Europe.... use NTSC like the rest of the world.

Can you get any more ignorant? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Samwise
Can you get any more ignorant? :rolleyes:

You must have me confused with Bozco . Sorry  nO-One and Sammy, but Asia, and the Americas both use NTSC, that alone is the majority. I\'m not sure about Africa though...

If everyone used the same standard format, it\'d be much easier...

Why not get an NTSC television and an NTSC PS2, and import all your games?  It\'s a global internet economy, and the big corporations act like it\'s still 1951.  You don\'t have to buy from your local shop anymore.

I agree that a standard format would be best for everyone, but the currect formats have their roots in the different \'voltage thingies\' (in lack of a better word). And unfortunatly it would cost billions to change to one standard.

But both formats have their advantages. NTSC is the oldest and by many regarded the inferior system. The resolution is lower, but it has a higher framerate. It\'s sometimes referred to as "Never The Same Color". PAL on the other hand has better color defination (I think, I\'m not too sure about the technical aspects) and higher resolution, but lower frame rates (25 fps vs 30 fps). And then there\'s the SECAM format used by the French - and countries like Russia and Iraq if I\'m not mistaken. PAL has another advantage - if you\'re into digital filmmaking a PAL source is better for transfer to 35mm because the 25 fps means only 1 frame is lost per second - and the higher resolution is a very good thing as video is already inferior to film resolution wise.

But for videogames I\'d prefer NTSC because of framerate. If we lived in an ideal world they should make some sort of universal super HDTV format that took the best from all formats - and made it even better.

BTW, here\'s a list of what countries use what format. It\'s in Danish though, as I couldn\'t find an English version. But as you can see it isn\'t as black and white as "NTSC is used in USA + Asia and PAL in Europe".
http://www.anderschou.dk/Format/TVsystemer.htm

Originally posted by Coredweller
Why not get an NTSC television and an NTSC PS2, and import all your games?  It\'s a global internet economy, and the big corporations act like it\'s still 1951.  You don\'t have to buy from your local shop anymore.

Most PAL equipment can actually play NTSC software without a problem, but things like different voltage and stuff makes it a bit of a problem. Mostly I think it\'s because of slobby companies though... It doesn\'t take that long to convert and translate a game.

I like the GBA idea where you can import a Japanese model and use it everywhere. And play Japanese games in a model from another country without a problem. The world is getting smaller due to the Internet, but some companies/people refuse to make the transitions it seems.

why cant europeans have ps2 that play ntsc not pal??? when i had my ps1 chipped ( for only importing games, as my nan lives in the usa) the games run fine, the only difference was that the game had to be through a scart lead, but other than that it was fine, so why cant they have the european ps2 as a ntsc?????

Message to my European brothers who are whining - shut yer gob! j/k

ISS Pro Evolution 3
EA Sports Rugby 2001
LMA Manager 2002
WRC2001

Just SOME of the sports games that I want the most, and ISSPE3 is my most anticipated PS2 game (way more so than MGS2 or GT3) and guess what - these games will either take ages to get here, or more likely for the first three, NEVER come to North America. So I\'ll have to end up buying a PAL PS2.

So next time you start your complaing, spare a thought for poor old Lavan, you just have to wait a month or two, I\'ll never get to see the games unless I get a PAL PS2.

ISS Pro Evo 2 never made to North America so I actually had to import the game, and then buy a PAL PSOne and use it with my multi-system TV to play it. Waiting a month or two is no big deal..

Sh!te I can\'t even get decent Fish and Chips here, Kopking, I\'m coming over to your house when ISS PE3 comes out....

Originally posted by Coredweller
Why not get an NTSC television and an NTSC PS2, and import all your games?  It\'s a global internet economy, and the big corporations act like it\'s still 1951.  You don\'t have to buy from your local shop anymore.

That`s what I do with my PS2. But to play the games early has its price.There`s more cost for shipping, import taxes , duty etc.
But I`m happy with my decision.

How much does it cost in total to get your import games Macabre?Because i wanted to do this,so i added it all up and it could cost me £90 to get one game!!

Originally posted by Lavan
Message to my European brothers who are whining - shut yer gob! j/k

ISS Pro Evolution 3
EA Sports Rugby 2001
LMA Manager 2002
WRC2001

Just SOME of the sports games that I want the most, and ISSPE3 is my most anticipated PS2 game (way more so than MGS2 or GT3) and guess what - these games will either take ages to get here, or more likely for the first three, NEVER come to North America. So I\'ll have to end up buying a PAL PS2.

So next time you start your complaing, spare a thought for poor old Lavan, you just have to wait a month or two, I\'ll never get to see the games unless I get a PAL PS2.

ISS Pro Evo 2 never made to North America so I actually had to import the game, and then buy a PAL PSOne and use it with my multi-system TV to play it. Waiting a month or two is no big deal..

Sh!te I can\'t even get decent Fish and Chips here, Kopking, I\'m coming over to your house when ISS PE3 comes out....

thats a good point lavan, but its a pain in the arse that we have to wait, but if euroupean gamers were on ntsc you would be able to get a football game much easier, cos it would be on the same format and prob be able to get it from usa, or somewhere else on ntsc
Yeah theres one prob though, i live on a boat. if you ever did come over id have to get some practice before yo come over, so i can whoop you on the footie

Originally posted by Ethan_Hunt
How much does it cost in total to get your import games Macabre?Because i wanted to do this,so i added it all up and it could cost me £90 to get one game!!

You live in England,right? You could order your games at http://www.dvdboxoffice.com (they have US DVDs too).I think it`s an Canadian site.They have free shipping with Aeromail Worldwide which is a British company.So  the shipping could be fast for you also.
The games there are £34 - 38. So even with taxes you would never have to play 90. I think i pay about 10%-15% more in total.