XB lineup looking better and better....

If you\'ve read the presses impressions of Munch, you\'d know that Munch, and Malice, are both doing quite well.

Well, first of all I don\'t care. Second, I\'d like to see these expressions. Have they actually played both of the games yet?

Sega, Acclaim, Activision, EA, Konami, Tecmo, Universal, etc have big name games in development for XB. What are you talking about?

If you read my last post attentively, then you would of known that I mean the Xbox isn\'t getting any MUST HAVE games like MGS2, FFX, Mario, in the lines of those games. And they ones that might be great will all be on other systems like Tony Hawk and what ever.

Originally posted by Jumpman
In my ****ing opinion, the Xbox line-up doesn\'t look good or bad, just unclear. Halo is being developed by Bungie who never made a good game before and Munch is being developed by a Bunch of fools!

Erk...  Bungie have won themselves a huge and very loyal fan base because of their excellent Marathon and Myth series.  I am going to assume that you just haven\'t researched them and this is like a Mac gamer saying "Rare sucks" simply because they haven\'t had a chance to try many of thier games.  Really, you could not have said something farther from the thruth.

As for Oddworld, I think the quality of there current game speaks volumes about their talent.

"That\'s why I\'m not getting Xbox. I don\'t know what to expect from it so I\'ll stick with someone more reliable. Aka Nintendo..."

"Well, first of all I don\'t care."

In other words, you don\'t an Xbox because you don\'t know what to expect but at the same time you will not listen to the first clues about what to expect?  Then why bother entering this thread if all you are going to do is just going to bath yourself in ignorance and stand on the sidelines sticking your tongue out a the Xbox?

I have not seen the moisture/reflectiveness in munch and it does sound impressive, although I wonder where you\'d see it during the game. The last still shot of munch I saw (from gamestock?) looked basically about as detailed as the PSX 2D version in a 3D world.  So you could say I\'m way behind the times. After downloading the Doom3 video with 56k I was so disappointed I swore off trying to see what\'s up in running mode for a while, at least until after E3.

The fact is, in just the last week or two I\'ve decided that term fanboy is no longer so derogatory as I once thought. It just means, to me personally, the willingness to overlook possible faults, the tendency to look on the bright side of a chosen console. On the flip side the ease with which those willing to bait, name call, insult each others intelligence, and stretch the truth in order to score points for a chosen side is trollish behavior. I\'m willing to look the other way when it comes from a obviously pro PS2 member on a PS2 forum and tend to use the skunk eye when reading all else. So EThugg, don\'t take it as a personal insult if you hear the term xbox fanboy coming from me. Troll however...

On a side note; I\'ve been through Abe\'s Oddysee. Doesn\'t matter how good the graphics are, I won\'t be picking up the sequels. Anyone looking forward to the xbox version needs to give the original a try first. Just a friendly warning

Originally posted by Heretic

On a side note; I\'ve been through Abe\'s Oddysee. Doesn\'t matter how good the graphics are, I won\'t be picking up the sequels. Anyone looking forward to the xbox version needs to give the original a try first. Just a friendly warning

I have Abes Oddysee and Exodus, I enjoyed both very much... Both games also reached greatest hit status I believe....


I saw this in a video too, I can\'t find it though... It looks even better in motion.. you feel like your looking at a living creature. That\'s a in-game cinema, that\'s the reason for the angle. I wish I could find the video. When he closes and opens the eyelids... it\'s extremely realistic.

I\'m relieved you\'re not anticipating it just based on looks. Did you make through all the secret levels? I\'d honestly be impressed if you did. They just sort of sucked the fun right out of it me.

Originally posted by Heretic
I have not seen the moisture/reflectiveness in munch and it does sound impressive, although I wonder where you\'d see it during the game. The last still shot of munch I saw (from gamestock?) looked basically about as detailed as the PSX 2D version in a 3D world.  So you could say I\'m way behind the times. After downloading the Doom3 video with 56k I was so disappointed I swore off trying to see what\'s up in running mode for a while, at least until after E3.

On a side note; I\'ve been through Abe\'s Oddysee. Doesn\'t matter how good the graphics are, I won\'t be picking up the sequels. Anyone looking forward to the xbox version needs to give the original a try first. Just a friendly warning

You can swivel around the camera and look a Munch\'s eyes for a nice "wow" effect but beyond that it will most likely be useful for in-game cut-scenes (and a few places during the action where the camera switches to a much more cinematic view).  I was thoroughly entertained by Oddworld\'s style in the first two games for about an hour and then stopped playing but Munch is a different beast all together (3D obviously makes it much less restrictive, the game is a lot faster, and the interaction between Munch and Abe makes the puzzles more entertaining) so I would recommend trying it out before you make a decision.

Originally posted by Heretic
I\'m relieved you\'re not anticipating it just based on looks. Did you make through all the secret levels? I\'d honestly be impressed if you did. They just sort of sucked the fun right out of it me.

No, I didn\'t beat em 100%, but I enjoyed them. Same as Rayman 1. 100% on these games is murder on anyone but the most devoted and talented gamers.

Oops, I should have waited for the whole thread to load, missed the shot. The pic shows the detail level on the characters, less the eyeball, is even lower than the PSX version. At least they are outside, a nice change of pace from the first one.

I check often and have seen neither on the shelves as greatest hits.

Originally posted by Jumpman
...the last to Abe games were not anything special and they\'ve never even done a 3D game before.

That is irrelevant.  If they are making a great looking 3D game now, why would it matter if they have never made a 3d game before?  It doesn\'t make sense.

Originally posted by Ethugg After the recent Obi Wan, AI, Matrix 2, Buffy(I h8 the show, but love action adventures) etc announcements, the promise of at least a few more big announcements at E3, and a line up I was already interested in prior to both, I must say, XB\'s library is looking better and better. I can\'t wait to get my hands on it, and anyone who\'s already written it off is foolish IMO....

Those four games might be good, but you should at least wait until you see some pictures/movies/impressions of them before you get excited about them.  And I agree, anyone who has already written the Xbox off is very foolish.

For starters,

I know Ethugg is not an xbox fanboy. He just loves to stir things up and argue.

Secondly, I don\'t think the Xbox lineup is stellar, nor horrible. It\'s adequate IMO..  I\'m still undecided as to whether I\'ll be getting it or not. Though having SEGA\'s support is already enough reason to.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

Originally posted by datamage
Secondly, I don\'t think the Xbox lineup is stellar, nor horrible. It\'s adequate IMO..  I\'m still undecided as to whether I\'ll be getting it or not. Though having SEGA\'s support is already enough reason to.

The PS2 and NGC are going to have equal, if not more support from Sega than the Xbox.  This console war is going to rely on a lot more than one developer anyways, so it doesn\'t really matter.

Originally posted by ho3j


(3D obviously makes it much less restrictive, the game is a lot faster, and the interaction between Munch and Abe makes the puzzles more entertaining) so I would recommend trying it out before you make a decision.

The puzzles in Oddysee were intelligent in addition to a lot of overall original content in story and gameplay but the agility feats I found too taxing to want to return for another version. Plus the scenery and goofy noises got old. I might be willing to give it another try if I hear the 3D version is much better and the dreaded black box ends up being too cheap to pass up.  Ya never know.

And yes, I\'ll fess up, the list of games is getting long and tempting.

This console war is going to rely on a lot more than one developer anyways, so it doesn\'t really matter.

True. But If SEGA develops games that are going to be exclusive to the box, then I\'m gonna have to get one. If the new Jet Grind doesn\'t appear elsewhere, or Panzer for that matter, then the box is mine.

On another note; Here\'s that Obi-wan game for xbox. Looks, err, well, decide for yourselves:

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- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

In other words, you don\'t an Xbox because you don\'t know what to expect but at the same time you will not listen to the first clues about what to expect? Then why bother entering this thread if all you are going to do is just going to bath yourself in ignorance and stand on the sidelines sticking your tongue out a the Xbox?

God your an idiot. You seem to have a little hatred going for me don\'t you? You really took that out of concept which was a dumb thing to do.

I said I don\'t care because I\'m not interested because I don\'t know what I\'m getting into with the Xbox you ****ing moron. God I hate it when people attack me for idiotic reasons like that... GGGGRRRR.  Listening to what clues? I just stated my opinion. I\'m sorry if you disagree with it but you can\'t change it. How is it ignorant if I\'m simply not interested for valid reasons? DUMB ASS.

That is irrelevant. If they are making a great looking 3D game now, why would it matter if they have never made a 3d game before? It doesn\'t make sense.

The graphics are irrelevant. I\'m talking about gameplay and a lot of developers have ****ed up when they convert their games from 2D to 3D . It kind of screws them up and it makes the game seem different. Examples: The PS2 Street Fighter, Donkey Kong 64, Sonic Adventure, ect. Some can do it perfectly, but others can\'t.

Oddworld is just going to have trouble making the game good while sticking to some original features. I\'m not saying they can\'t make it good but I\'m just saying its a possibility since other developers have experienced this.