I have noticed a double standard on these boards. After GameStock all the PS2 fanboys took cheap shots at early Xbox games on unfinished hardware. However, when Xbox fans take a jab at early PS2 games on FINISHED hardware something\'s wrong. I think a lesson should be learned from this, don\'t judge a game until it\'s finished.
About the 19 mpps, from what I saw in the trailer, the game doesn\'t even break 10 mpps. Those polygon numbers came from the fanboy cesspool otherwise known as the IGN forums, so don\'t bolster your arguments with that. The game looks like a souped-up N64 game. I thought the GC was the "kiddy" system and that ND was going for a more "mature" game. There\'s still hope though, maybe the game will have sex, violence and bad language a la Conker\'s Bad Fur Day!