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Offline kirath
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« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2001, 04:15:01 AM »
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Well Toxical we clearly have different views. I do not put an age on human life. Even if it is only an embryo I still feel it has the right to have a chance at life. You feel free to believe what ever you want. I still, however, feel that you are wrong.


Yeah but you make comparisons to Sceintific research to atrosities commited by mad-Men..  I don\'t see the analogy there..

There has been questionable research all through the course of history.  But today we are all repeaping the benifits of that reseach.  Look at the nuclear bomb for example.  Do you know how much research all the countries of the world got from that device??  Do you know that hundreds of things that make your life convienent today came from that scientific descovery..??  I don\'t see you complaining about that to much..

I hope you see my point and are not blinded by some have thought out religous consortum which does not really make sense outside your own mind.

I believe in human life as well..  I don\'t agree with you about how humans have the complete right to dictate other life forms, but ohh well.  

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« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2001, 05:32:32 AM »
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Exactly. This topic is very scary. What if an egg that has the potential to become human was instead turned into a friggin\' hand or muscle tissue for somebody who lost a body part in a car accident. Body part, or living human being? Who\'s side are you on?


If you want hypothetical situations I\'ll pose one for you;

What if your 16 year old daughter is driving in her car and a drunk driver runs a red light and smashes into her car leaving her a quadrapelegic, in a wheelchair for the rest of her life, and dependent upon others for the rest of her life. 16 years old.

Would you be willing to put an arm around her and say;

"Honey, I\'d love for you to be able to walk again, to be able to use your arms again, to lead a normal human life, but I feel that this:



that doesn\'t have a name, doesn\'t have a brain, doesn\'t have a heart, doesn\'t have a nervous system, and has been cloned millions of times in a lab from identical ones, is more important than you."

If you can say that then I respect your opinion (honestly), but for me that\'s the bottom line. Last summer I volunteered in the Alzheimer\'s ward of the nursing home where my mother works. Alzheimers is a f ucking evil sickness - I saw one guy there who fought in WWII, protected this country and he couldn\'t even tie his shoelaces. Every day he would get up, brush his teeth, get dressed slowly and then just sit at the side of his bed staring at his shoes until I came and tied them for him, and every ****ING DAY he would ask me what my name was and say that I looked familiar. He died last fall. To me, that guy is was important than a bunch of cells, and that\'s just one disease that could be cured. My mother wanted me to go back to volunteer this summer but I couldn\'t - it\'s too depressing and I still don\'t know how my mother does it day in and day out.

I\'m sorry if I\'m getting sensationalist with my post but this is something I feel strongly about - yet I understand and respect others\' opinions. However we in the western world spend so much money on **** like weapons, and our research dollars go to sh!t like Viagra, while millions of starving die every day. And then when we have a chance to cure diseases, to do good everyone says that life is sacred - yes it is, but what about the children that are dying of starvation while I write this tirade? I care about the people that are HERE and NOW, not a microscopic bunch of cells cloned in a lab.
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« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2001, 12:14:39 PM »
Well...um...:( I guess you\'re right...it\'s just a couple of cells without any central nervous system yet, or brain or heart. But...I\'m so confused...

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« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2001, 12:35:15 PM »
Kirath you are missing the whole point. First off my point was just because you have the ability to do something doesn\'t mean you should. Personally I feel that it is almost as much of an atrocity to destroy an embryo just because it will benefit others as it is what Hitler did. While I don\'t find the nuclear bomb to be something I am reaping benefits from of course I see that science and technology make my life easier. The only problem with your point is that human life wasn\'t purposely destroyed to invent plumbing. And I didn\'t mean that because I am human I have the right to take a gun sit on my porch and shoot every bird chirping in my tree because I feel like it, of course thats wrong. However if a mosquito attacks me don\'t you dare even tell me its wrong to kill it. As far as im concerned we as humans have the right and responsibility to take care and look after the animals. I don\'t believe that we have the right to cut down the rain forests and destroy a countless number of species but what can I do?
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« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2001, 08:19:14 PM »
This is an extremely complex issue.  It\'s not the first in our history as humans and it won\'t be the last.  Technology always develops faster than the morals that go with it.  Look at surgery,  waaaayyy back in time.  It was considered immoral to do such a thing.  In our modern world it is a daily occurance.  Nobody thinks its immoral because we are playing god by saving that persons life.  The fact is eventaully all of this technology that we see today that is immoral and wrong most likely will become commonplace in the future.  As for the pro-life issue and bugs and other animals are put on the earth to serve us is considered by other religions as false depending on what you believe.  That is what this all boils down to... Peoples beliefs.  I will not include my own religious beliefs but I will say that people who are closed-minded by their beliefs are stupid.  The church is run by people with their own opinions.  If you agree with them thats great ,but do not beleive  that because the church says it you must agree with it.  Remember most wars are started by religions.... sorry for straying off topic there.
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« Reply #65 on: August 17, 2001, 06:38:00 AM »
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but I will say that people who are closed-minded by their beliefs are stupid.


I don\'t  think having a belief and sticking by that belief makes someone stupid.  

I think we have to agree to disagree on this and many other issues. But I will and always will fight for my beliefs.

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« Reply #66 on: August 17, 2001, 08:19:56 AM »
I said if they are close-minded about there religion.  Beliefs are a good thing.  They give people hope and motivation.  Without religion Many people would be "lost" and very depressed.  I just think that people shouldn\'t  have their religion blind common sense.
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« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2001, 11:30:03 AM »
IMO religion and politics should not mix, i don\'t want my preacher/priest/pope/rabbi whatever, making decisions for my kids who may be sick... I want choice, not fear of lightning from the gods, are we living in pre-historic times, or are we modern human beings? My mom also works at a hospital, and when i was growing up i used to visit her there, it is depressing seining so many people with so many ailments. Religion isn\'t even an issue with me, if i had to choose between religion and saving my kids, i would choose my kids any day.

I understand a lot of people dont\' feel the same way i do, and i respect that also.

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« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2001, 11:44:16 AM »
Why is this suddenly becoming a religious issue?

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« Reply #69 on: August 18, 2001, 07:01:10 AM »
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Why is this suddenly becoming a religious issue?


I think the Stem Cell issue is linked to religion. IMO, i mean Bush talking to the Pope about this is one example, ... :rolleyes:
Politics + Church = don\'t mix. :(

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« Reply #70 on: August 18, 2001, 07:22:21 AM »
I am only adding one thing to this discussion .
My father has a rare blood diease (wagners-grandalatoesis, I probably spelled it wrong). He has been sick since I was three years old and when I was five he had one of his lungs taken out. Since he only has one lung, he can no longer do a lot of things like go hiking / go to amusement parks, etc because he runs out of breath and gets sick. He also only has half his sight from the diease. If stem research or any kind of research can fix these things for other people, then I am all for it.

My mother has also had cancer, so I\'ve spent a lot of time in my life being sleeping in hospitals / visiting them. I\'ve seen a lot of the horrible sicknesses that come about. I\'ve seen them directly (family) and indirectly (just walkin\' by in the hospital and see\'ing people). If we can help cure  or help a lot of these things, including people who lose their arms in wrecks ,etc than I am all for it.


Thats all.

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« Reply #71 on: August 18, 2001, 10:18:01 AM »
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I am only adding one thing to this discussion .
My father has a rare blood diease (wagners-grandalatoesis, I probably spelled it wrong). He has been sick since I was three years old and when I was five he had one of his lungs taken out. Since he only has one lung, he can no longer do a lot of things like go hiking / go to amusement parks, etc because he runs out of breath and gets sick. He also only has half his sight from the diease. If stem research or any kind of research can fix these things for other people, then I am all for it.

My mother has also had cancer, so I\'ve spent a lot of time in my life being sleeping in hospitals / visiting them. I\'ve seen a lot of the horrible sicknesses that come about. I\'ve seen them directly (family) and indirectly (just walkin\' by in the hospital and see\'ing people). If we can help cure  or help a lot of these things, including people who lose their arms in wrecks ,etc than I am all for it.


Thats all.
:crying: :( I\'m sorry. Before they started this whole stupid stem-cell thing, i was intrigued by something I saw on the discovery channel, which I don\'t know why they\'re not working on it more instead of stam-cell research.

They take the DNA from yourself..and they can grow stuff like hands, feet, arms, etc. They can trick the cells into thinking that they\'re growing on a human body when they\'re actually growing in a testing tank. And then out of nowhere this whole stem-cell thing came about, and I\'m wondering why hey gave up on the other thing, and if they didn\'t, why they haven\'t even mentioned it.

I\'m confused...:( Oh well...I hope your family gets better L-I-C. Peace to you, man...

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« Reply #72 on: August 18, 2001, 01:00:00 PM »
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I am only adding one thing to this discussion .
My father has a rare blood diease (wagners-grandalatoesis, I probably spelled it wrong). He has been sick since I was three years old and when I was five he had one of his lungs taken out. Since he only has one lung, he can no longer do a lot of things like go hiking / go to amusement parks, etc because he runs out of breath and gets sick. He also only has half his sight from the diease. If stem research or any kind of research can fix these things for other people, then I am all for it.

My mother has also had cancer, so I\'ve spent a lot of time in my life being sleeping in hospitals / visiting them. I\'ve seen a lot of the horrible sicknesses that come about. I\'ve seen them directly (family) and indirectly (just walkin\' by in the hospital and see\'ing people). If we can help cure  or help a lot of these things, including people who lose their arms in wrecks ,etc than I am all for it.


Thats all.


Sorry to hear that LIC.  :(

Lets all hope for the best, and maybe one day soon, they will get this whole stem cell issue figured out, and people that need cures from this research the most will be cured.

 

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