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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: QW
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2005, 05:47:44 PM »
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Panic everybody, including the many who elected him.


As absurd as it might sound, the way the government was established was specifically made to avoid problems such as the ones that could possibly come up because of such an unbalance of power. This not only opens up the path for a dictatorship like government, but it leaves the government open for abuse of power.

WASHINGTON — With House Republicans settling on new committee assignments, most of the chatter on Capitol Hill has centered on a few key changes among the chairmanships and whether the Republican leadership is trying to bring its more independent members to heel.

"If you don\'t toe the line you\'re gone — consolidation of absolute power," one Democratic congressional aide, who asked not to be identified, told FOXNews.com.

Democrats call the developments "a purge" of more independent-minded chairs that will make the next Congress even more difficult for the minority party.

"They are moving to quash any differing opinions within their own party," Democratic Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said in a statement.

Headlines about two GOP replacements have fueled speculation about whether the outgoing chairmen are being punished or whether the leadership just wants to remind Republicans in the new 109th Congress that they are all on the same team.

"You sort of have to remind folks that you are only as strong as you are perceived to be out there," said Greg Crist, spokesman for House Republican Conference Committee Chairwoman Deborah Pryce, R-Ohio.

This means, in part, showing a unified stance on limited spending. Republicans were criticized by fiscal conservatives, as well as deficit-hawk Democrats, for wild spending in the last Congress.


Sources say Rep. Chris Smith (search), R-N.J., was the first casualty of the new "unity." As chairman of the Veterans Affairs Committee, Smith pressed for increased spending on the Veterans Administration (search) budget, putting him on a different page from party leadership, with whom he has tangled before.

Smith is being replaced by Rep. Steve Buyer (search), R-Ind., who is considered more fiscally conservative, and has shown a proclivity toward cutting back spending on VA health care, according to veterans\' advocates.

"We felt strongly and still feel strongly about Chris Smith," said Rick Weidman, director of government affairs for Vietnam Veterans of America (search). "That he\'s being punished for being too pro-veteran in the Congress while we are at war is breathtaking."

House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., had no comment on Smith, who was also taken off the committee, but did post on his Web site a statement about Buyer, a Persian Gulf War veteran.

"I\'m confident under Steve\'s leadership, those who faithfully fought to defend our freedoms will continue to have access to quality health care," Hastert said.

Weidman is not so sure, saying that the leadership thinks too much money is already going into VA health care. "Mr. Buyer is exactly the opposite [of Smith] — he\'s very partisan. Based on his past, this [committee] is likely to be more of a partisan entity in the next Congress."

Even staunch conservatives say they were taken aback by Smith\'s removal. "Smith is derided by the leadership as a \'liberal\' who is in organized labor\'s pocket, but his voting record is moderately conservative," wrote columnist Robert Novak, who called Smith a "tireless supporter of veterans."

Laura Zuckerman, spokeswoman for Buyer, said her boss would not comment on Smith, but would say that he and Smith have genuine "disagreements" over handling the VA system.

"He and Congressman Smith have a lot of different views about the VA, on where the Congress sees the VA in the future," she said.

A Republican committee aide who did not want to be named said the leadership had done no wrong. "Our opponents were using Smith to advocate against our policies," the aide said. "No one has discounted veterans, or questioned his loyalty or desire to help veterans, we just had a fundamental disagreement on how to approach that."

Meanwhile, it looks like Rep. Joel Hefley (search), R-Colo., will not be asked to stay on in his post as chairman of the House Standards of Official Conduct Committee (search), sources say. Leadership aides have maintained that per House rules, Hefley’s three-term limit as chairman had expired.

But critics say he is being punished for leading three admonishments last fall against House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (search), R-Texas, who was found by the ethics committee to have crossed the line of appropriate conduct. His political action committee, Texans for a Republican Majority, is currently the target of a criminal probe in Texas.

"Such a mean-spirited and vindictive act by House leaders can only further diminish public confidence in Congress by painting it as hopelessly politicized and self-dealing," said a recent public statement by eight government watchdog groups calling themselves the Congressional Ethics Coalition (search).

They and others say the speaker should waive the rules so that Hefley can stay on and oversee the remaining investigations, or else the power of the committee will be "decimated." Hefley has said he would accept the waiver.

Jonathan Grella, spokesman for DeLay, said Democrats had manufactured the ethics flap and that the GOP was determined to proceed with its agenda "undeterred."

Crist said he found it "mind-boggling" that Democrats would ask them to bend the rules. "I find it extremely hypocritical."

The leadership is also replacing term-limited Appropriations Chairman Bill Young, R-Fla., with Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif. He beat out two contenders, including Rep. Ralph Regula, R-Ohio, who was next in line to Young, according to seniority.

"[Lewis] is a good guy, highly thought of, but it was clear from the selection process that whoever was selected for the Appropriations chairmanship was going to be expected to toe the line," said the Democratic congressional aide. Calls to Republicans on the Appropriations Committee were not returned.

Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said it\'s the leadership\'s right to whip members into shape. "They are doing what leaders do, they make sure [committee chairmen] serve them well, for their interests and for the interests of the party," he said. "For those who think [chairmen] are there to serve only in the interests of the American people — get real."


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145202,00.html


Many Republicans have come out and accused their own party of trying to fill their ranks with like thinkers. Those that will only support and follow a certain list of guidelines that would only increase their hold of power. This is what I\'m talking about. The government is being replaced with those that share the same beliefs and ideals and that is not good for this country or it\'s government.

When you are surrounded by a group of likethinkers, somebody isn\'t thinking.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2005, 06:00:54 PM by SirMystiq »
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« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2005, 06:10:56 PM »
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I bet Miss Tiq and clips are pissed about that. They miss the good ole days of Saddam Hussein......



like i said before..i want the iraqi people to be ablr to live respectful lives....will they?...of course at some point in time, but at what cost?...the prez already asked for another 83 billion for the war..i\'m not against it, you gotta do what you gotta do for the troops...but why have so many lost sight on what this war was about from the jump? WMD\'S...you don\'t even hear bush mention any of that :rolleyes:...but i guess as long as we "liberated" the iraqi people all is forgiven...the amer public is like sheep..you pump enough s**t in their head they will start to believe it...

say what you want, i still feel the decision to go to war in iraq was a faulty one...no one ever challenged the fact that we would fail in iraq...ultimately we will win this war...point is saddam wasn\'t a threat that needed to be dealt with at that time...s**t what i do remember at that time was n.korea stating they was gonna bring death to the united states...in which bush responded..."uhm we\'ll deal with n.korea diplomatically" :rolleyes:  :laughing:
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Re: Re: QW
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2005, 06:19:32 PM »
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Best quote ever.  

Oh and clips - as for your claim there was zero public support before we went into Iraq - you are absolutely wrong.  I supported it along with countless others.  You must have been traveling abroad at the time... :rolleyes:



oh so i guess just because YOU and a few other people supported it transforms into overwhelming support for the war?...no giga, i remember fully that on both stations..CNN & FOX, that they showed polls in which their was very little support for the war when bush announced he would invade...not until colin powell went to the u.n. to show clips of chemical trailers and such did the amer people decide to come on board...oh and those trailers that was on the clip, turned out NOT to be equipment used for chemical weapons....i forgot what it was actually used for, but it most certainly wasn\'t used for chemical weapons....
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« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2005, 08:28:26 AM »
Did you not say zero public support?  Did you not say that?
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« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2005, 05:19:39 PM »
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Did you not say zero public support?  Did you not say that?


damn giga, do you have to be so technical? :p  maybe i should have stated practically zero support..
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« Reply #65 on: February 06, 2005, 08:42:05 AM »
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damn giga, do you have to be so technical? :p  maybe i should have stated practically zero support..


Really?

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If U.N. inspections fail to turn up evidence of Iraqi weapons programs, almost half of respondents said they would oppose war. Only 41% would favor war, and 10% said they don\'t know whether they would favor or oppose.


Is 41 percent almost zero according to you?

That is an LA Times poll as well - pretty liberal newspaper as well.

http://www.latimes.com/la-na-iraqpoll17dec17,0,7613324.story
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« Reply #66 on: February 06, 2005, 09:15:17 AM »
actually 41% of 1 rounded off would be zero.  ;)
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« Reply #67 on: February 06, 2005, 06:20:39 PM »
damn you giga!...i like to state facts based on common sense and events that people know without a doubt, that what i claim tends to be true...that said i really hate researching s**t and i should\'ve known when debating with you i was gonna have to do a little googling..anyway here\'s another poll regarding support for the iraqi war before we went....yea it\'s from CBS but either i didn\'t look hard enough, or i just couldn\'t find another poll site without it bein too opinionated......

anyway the numbers are a wee bit smaller in this poll,and it breaks it down a little further.. just the same i suppose...the point i was tryin to make anyway was that most americans didn\'t support the war and favored more inspections....

http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=9&q=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/06/opinion/polls/main524496.shtml&e=9901
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