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Offline Halberto
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« on: January 30, 2005, 01:49:11 AM »
so far 17 have died from attacks at polling stations.

I just thought of something... say that this  election falls through, the person elected will probably be shot and killed by insurgents anyway. We\'re going to be in Iraq for a year or more I think, and its not going to end up pretty.

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2005, 01:51:48 AM »
I don\'t really see a pretty ending to this... just get out of the country and cut the losses. There\'s no way we can restore law and order there anyway (and democracy for that matter).
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2005, 09:35:49 AM »
They were running a commercial in Iraq that showed the U.S. troops driving away.  Giving the message that if they voted then our troops will leave.
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Re: Iraqi elections
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2005, 10:23:14 AM »
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so far 17 have died from attacks at polling stations.

I just thought of something... say that this  election falls through, the person elected will probably be shot and killed by insurgents anyway. We\'re going to be in Iraq for a year or more I think, and its not going to end up pretty.


try at least 5 - 7 yrs...iraq must have a fully realized military and police force intact before..the u.s. can even consider leaving...


thing is now is that the american citizens are saying that maybe this war was a mistake..:rolleyes:....this war was a mistake from the jump...in the very beginning there was ZERO support for going into iraq from the amer. public...then bush kept pushing the issue..y\'know it was kinda like how you hear a song on the radio that at first you don\'t like, but as the radio station keeps playin it for weeks on end, then you start to like it....the same applies here.

Now the amer people are back at square one where they felt we shouldn\'t have went to war in the first place...talk about sheep...the prez and others can easily cultivate one\'s mind into thinking this was the right thing to do....except i didn\'t fall for his bulls**t...

so in a sense yea hal these elections are pretty much worthless,..because if these insurgents can easily pick high ranking iraqi officials with ease, who\'s to say that within days of having a newly elected prez, that he won\'t be assassinated? bush & co. tried to play s**t down like you could just walk down the street in iraq when he couldn\'t be further from the truth...he only spoke about the situation in iraq truthfully only after getting vibes from his cabinet that the amer public was becoming deeply concerned with what was happening in iraq...

yea it\'s rant,..after seein those pics unknown pm\'d me, i\'m a little amped....
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2005, 11:15:15 AM »
Yes, let\'s give up now.

After all, America\'s democracy sprang into life overnight without violence or strife, and we knew exactly what we were doing from the start.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2005, 11:17:15 AM »
Western culture is much more favorable to  democracy then middle-eastern culture.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2005, 11:42:18 AM »
Zero support from the start?  You have to be kidding.

Anyway looks like the elections were more successful than most you nay sayers thought.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2005, 11:52:15 AM »
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Yes, let\'s give up now.

After all, America\'s democracy sprang into life overnight without violence or strife, and we knew exactly what we were doing from the start.


i\'m not sayin we give up..we can\'t possibly pack up and leave now. it baffles me how people think this is a war for freedom when initially it was the battle for the dreaded wmd\'s :rolleyes:...you can\'t force western views and values in the heart of the middle east simply because you felt you had a personal agenda..or felt that iraq was unfinished business....

ultimately i hope everything turns out ok for the u.s. and the iraqi people. hopefully we can still bring honor to those whose lost their lives..( iraqi and coalition forces)...in a war in which imo didn\'t have to be fought in the first place..
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2005, 11:56:26 AM »
just a random note. Has nothing to do with the elections, but more about the negativity surrounding the war.

i was watching a show on PBS and a guy had a good point. We\'ve been very negative about the war because we see every mistake, ever bad thing that has gone on because of the media (not that thats a bad thing). If we got to see all the bad things that went on in WWII, we would have thought we were losing. And there was one battle that was so bad for the US that President Roosevelt wouldve been under a lot of critique.

I cant remember what the battle was. Something about sending our troops in an area and them being surrounded by Axis powers and all our guys were slaughtered.

As for the elections. Iv also been hearing more good news about the polls recently. But if the guy elected does get killed, that would kind of send everything to hell IMO. Didnt one of the guys we gave authority to get killed a while ago? So its not impossible.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2005, 11:59:48 AM »
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Zero support from the start?  You have to be kidding.

Anyway looks like the elections were more successful than most you nay sayers thought.


sorry giga you\'re wrong on this one...i remember when bush first started poppin\' s**t about invadin\' iraq....trust, there was ZERO support from the amer. public...


as far as the elections are concerned...like i said before what good is it, if there\'s a good chance whoever\'s elected will be killed t\'morrow?...you can vote till the camels come home,..but with no true security, and really no REAL gov\'t in place what does this really prove....NOTHING...i want the iraqi\'s to be able live respectful lives,..but this election was just rushed and flawed and handled irresponsibly...
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2005, 12:41:54 PM »
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just a random note. Has nothing to do with the elections, but more about the negativity surrounding the war.

i was watching a show on PBS and a guy had a good point. We\'ve been very negative about the war because we see every mistake, ever bad thing that has gone on because of the media (not that thats a bad thing). If we got to see all the bad things that went on in WWII, we would have thought we were losing. And there was one battle that was so bad for the US that President Roosevelt wouldve been under a lot of critique.

I cant remember what the battle was. Something about sending our troops in an area and them being surrounded by Axis powers and all our guys were slaughtered.

As for the elections. Iv also been hearing more good news about the polls recently. But if the guy elected does get killed, that would kind of send everything to hell IMO. Didnt one of the guys we gave authority to get killed a while ago? So its not impossible.


Could you imagine how today\'s mincing, liberal news media would have reported the D-Day invasion?

"6000+ Allied Casualties on June 6th alone! Assault a total failure! Anti-War groups protest useless waste of life!"
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2005, 01:04:07 PM »
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Yes, let\'s give up now.

After all, America\'s democracy sprang into life overnight without violence or strife, and we knew exactly what we were doing from the start.


Yes. Also, America\'s democracy was given to them by another country. American people in no way started this war or revolted THEMSELVES in order to form a democracy. Back then, we had another country come "free" us.


Get it?
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2005, 01:22:47 PM »
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Could you imagine how today\'s mincing, liberal news media would have reported the D-Day invasion?

"6000+ Allied Casualties on June 6th alone! Assault a total failure! Anti-War groups protest useless waste of life!"


That is a good pont.


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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2005, 01:28:59 PM »
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Could you imagine how today\'s mincing, liberal news media would have reported the D-Day invasion?

"6000+ Allied Casualties on June 6th alone! Assault a total failure! Anti-War groups protest useless waste of life!"



WW2 was an actual war based on actual need to attack. Let\'s not forget that the US had no intention of helping the Jews other than by some ammo and a couple of embargos. Also that the Japanese attacked the US and we declared war on JAPAN not Germany. But then Germany declared war on us.


Anyways. Let\'s also not forget that most of our casualties during WW2 came DURING the war. Not after "major operations have ended" and the "mission was accomplished"


Why does it have to be "liberal news"? Why can\'t it be the media all together. I\'m tired of some neo-cons trying to give the word "liberal" a negative connotation.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2005, 01:49:19 PM »
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Anyway looks like the elections were more successful than most you nay sayers thought.
Yes, only 30+ people were killed today.
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