PS2 king of 2D graphics....?

Read somewhere that PS2, surprisingly, can churn out 2D sprites unlike anything else in the past, present and future systems! Best 2D rendering machine! But...
IGN made a comment regarding GuiltyGearX, that PS2 has to scaledown on the hires output of the DC GG....

IGN said...
The PlayStation 2 version will hopefully be identical to its Dreamcast and Naomi counterparts, but a couple of hurdles potentially stand in the way. There is, for example, the ever-present limitation of the PlayStation 2\'s VRAM -- it\'s proving to be less and less of a problem as developers get the hang of the system, but 2D fighters will always demand a large amount of RAM to store animation frames, and PS2\'s four megabytes may cause trouble despite the amount of bandwidth available to shove stuff in and out. The other question has to do with video output. The Naomi/DC version uses the hardware\'s high-resolution 640 x 480 frame buffer to produce its super-sharp look (in conjunction with high-res character graphics), which means some modifications to the sprites will be necessary to adapt to the PS2\'s different high-res mode.


Well we can have a comparison when the dc and ps2 version of snk vs. capcom 2 comes out.  This should be interesting.

i heard about this somewhere. it could do alot with  2d graphics, but i would like to see them do god things with this ablity. the game Age of Empires 2 :Age of Kings
works on sprites, and i would like to see extra spriets added for better realism.

many people think sprites are only used in fighters, well, they have widespread use,  and that may come o help the ps2 in the future:D

Originally posted by Falcon4
i heard about this somewhere. it could do alot with  2d graphics, but i would like to see them do god things with this ablity. the game Age of Empires 2 :Age of Kings
works on sprites, and i would like to see extra spriets added for better realism.

many people think sprites are only used in fighters, well, they have widespread use,  and that may come o help the ps2 in the future:D

Did you know, the PS2 is faster at getting data from the main ram then the DC was at getting data from the Vram.  Plus, the PS2 has no Vram... in case people keep missing that point.  It uses a super fast frame buffer.  Which isn\'t meant to act as storage for any long period time. (anything over 1/30th of a frame)

Technically it has 4MB VRAM, but developers soon found that using it as a frame buffer gave ALOT better results. Streaming textures etc in and out of the frame buffer many times a second gives the PS2 a lot graphical power.  We are only just seeing developers using this. Games like Jak and Daxter will be using it to the extreme! The PS2 also has the highest fill rate of any of the next gen consoles. Particle effects are one of the PS2\'s specialities. The PS2 is bandwidth rich! Which is great for solid 60fps frame rates. (can you remmember the silent hill 2 guy saying that they where trying there hardest to get the Xbox version of SH2 to run at a decent frame rate )

I miss 2D games, metal slug anyone?

Originally posted by tomrob
Technically it has 4MB VRAM, but developers soon found that using it as a frame buffer gave ALOT better results. Streaming textures etc in and out of the frame buffer many times a second gives the PS2 a lot graphical power.  We are only just seeing developers using this. Games like Jak and Daxter will be using it to the extreme! The PS2 also has the highest fill rate of any of the next gen consoles. Particle effects are one of the PS2\'s specialities. The PS2 is bandwidth rich! Which is great for solid 60fps frame rates. (can you remmember the silent hill 2 guy saying that they where trying there hardest to get the Xbox version of SH2 to run at a decent frame rate )

Technically, it has a "frame buffer" actually.  And devolopers were using it as Vram (incorrectly).  It was never meant to be anything but a holding area for frame data.  Thats why it has a insane bandwidth.

Originally posted by Toxical
I miss 2D games, metal slug anyone?

Have you played Metal Slug X for PSX? Cuz Im thinking about renting it.



POST #1500!

cya! j/k

yeah, i heard about halo having trouble (runnign at 30 fps) but that was on unfinished devs.. i was always wondering why it had such high bandwith.

[Evi]

Playstation 2 System Specifications:

Emotion Engine Features and General Specifications

*   CPU Core: 128 bit RISC (MIPS IV-subset)
*   Clock Frequency: 294.912 MHz
*   Integer Unit: 64 bit (2-way Superscalar)
*   Multimedia extended instructions: 107 instructions at 128 bit width
*   Integer General Purpose Register: 32 at 128 bit width
*   TLB: 48 double entries
*   Instruction Cache: 16 KB (2-way)
*   Data Cache: 8 KB (2-way)
*   Scratch Pad RAM: 16 KB (Dual port)
*   Main Memory: 32 MB (Direct RDRAM 2ch@800MHz)
*   Memory Bandwidth: 3.2 GB/sec
*   DMA: 10 channels
*   Co-processor1: FPU (FMAC x 1, FDIV x 1), Micro Memory (I:4KB D:4KB)
*   Co-processor2: VU0 (FMAC x 4, FDIV x 1), Micro Memory (I:4KB D:4KB)
*   Vector Processing Unit VU1 (FMAC x 5, FDIV x 2), Micro Memory (I:16KB D:16KB)
*   Floating Point Performance: 6.2 GFLOPS
*   Geometry:
*   Perspective Transformation: 66 million polygons / sec
*   Lighting: 38 million polygons / sec
*   Fog: 36 million polygons / sec

*   Curved Surface Generation (Bezier): 16 million polygons / sec
*   Image Processing Unit: MPEG2 Macroblock Layer Decoder
*   Image Processing Performance: 150 million pixels / sec
*   Gate Width: 0.18 micron
*   VDD Voltage: 1.8 V
*   Power Consumption: 15 watts
*   Metal Layers: 4
*   Total Transistors: 10.5 million
*   Die Size: 240 mm2
*   Package: 540 pin PBGA

Graphics Synthesizer - Features and General Specifications:

*   GS Core: Parallel Rendering Processor with embedded DRAM
*   Clock Frequency: 147.456MHz
*   No. of Pixel Engines: 16 (in Parallel)
*   Embedded DRAM: 4 MB of multi-port DRAM (Synced at 150MHz)
*   Total Memory Bandwidth: 48 gigabytes per second
*   Combined Internal Data Bus Bandwidth: 2,560 bit
*   Read: 1,024 bit
*   Write: 1,024 bit
*   Texture: 512 bit
*   Display Color Depth: 32 bit (RGBA: 8 bits each)
*   Z Buffering: 32 bit
*   Rendering Functions: Texture Mapping, Bump Mapping, Fogging, Alpha Blending, Bi- and Tri-Linear Filtering, MIPMAP, Anti-aliasing, Multi-pass Rendering

Rendering Performance

*   Pixel Fill Rate: 2.4 giga pixel per second (with Z buffer and Alphablend enabled), 1.2 giga pixel per second (with Z buffer, Alpha and Texture)
*   Particle Drawing Rate: 150 million/sec
*   Polygon Drawing Rate: 75 million/sec (small polygon), 50 million/sec (48 pixel quad with Z and A), 30 million/sec (50 pixel triangle with Z and A), 25 million/sec (48 pixel quad with Z, A and T)
*   Sprite Drawing Rate: 18.75 million (8 x 8 pixels)
*   Display Output
*   NTSC/PAL
*   Digital TV (DTV)
*   VESA (maximum 1280 x 1024 pixels)
*   Silicon Process Technology: 0.25 4-level metal
*   Total Number of Transistors: 43 million
*   Die Size: 279 mm2
*   Package Type: 384 pin BGA

Disc Device

*   CD-ROM and DVD-ROM
*   CD-ROM 24 times speed
*   DVD-ROM 4 times speed
*   Can play DVD movies

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are you a computer nerd eviscrationx?

also, (a little question of mine) what is it that makes the ps2 cpu so good?
im not entirely sure.

[nO-One]

Originally posted by Falcon4
WWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW.......................

are you a computer nerd eviscrationx?

also, (a little question of mine) what is it that makes the ps2 cpu so good?
im not entirely sure.

heh heh,have you ever heard of cut and paste

And what makes the PS.2\'s CPU so good is just the pure raw performance.The CPU it self is just a plain MIPS variant,but the system isn\'t designed to use one central processor,the CPU and the GS work with the vector units (they are basically just FPU\'s)

aww hell just read >>this<< article,it\'s the most informative PS.2 article out there.

Originally posted by nO-One


heh heh,have you ever heard of cut and paste

And what makes the PS.2\'s CPU so good is just the pure raw performance.The CPU it self is just a plain MIPS variant,but the system isn\'t designed to use one central processor,the CPU and the GS work with the vector units (they are basically just FPU\'s)

aww hell just read >>this<< article,it\'s the most informative PS.2 article out there.

yeah i knew he cut and pasted....its obvious. thanks for the article,

Did not play Metal slug on PS1, but,
I Did not play any 2D games on PS1, i did not
like the results

i think the PS2 DVD speed is 12x?

[Evi]

Thanks...

And the PS2 DVD speed is 4X, not 12X